Well-Actually War Trall Actaeon Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 I proposed this (as well as a topic on water rights) sort of in jest, but I actually would like to hear this community's thoughts. Vast sections of forest throughout the west are standing dead. The Aspens aren't handling the temperature changes terribly well, either. According to an article in the New York Times a while back, it's not just here. Trees as far away as Australia and Africa are feeling the heat. Last time I touched on this topic, I encouraged avoidance of the main issue: climate change. This time, I'm considering it natural topic drift. But first... beetle kill. Can it be stopped? Mitigated? Can we use the lumber? Should anyone in the urban West or outside the mountains and Boreal forest even care? (Edit: This IS more interesting than water rights to the Easterners and Europeans here, right?) (Postedit... I'm not sure what to make of starting a topic with the number of the beast.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Dikiyoba Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 Originally Posted By: Actaeon (Edit: This IS more interesting than water rights to the Easterners and Europeans here, right?) In a way, it is a discussion about water rights, just far removed. Dikiyoba isn't up to date on recent beetle infestations and will have to do some research before Dikiyoba can respond. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Cairo Jim Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 Originally Posted By: Actaeon Trees as far away as Australia and Africa are feeling the heat. I don't about that. We've had the coolest summer in Australia, at least in Queensland for a while. We've also had quite a lot of rain this time of year, for the last few years, which may have something to do with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Goldengirl Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 Originally Posted By: Actaeon Should anyone in the urban West or outside the mountains and Boreal forest even care? Despite living in the (American) West, I'm not terribly educated on the issue. However, as far as this question is concerned, I can give a definitive 'yes.' Trees are the lungs of the planet; we should care about their health to help with the health of the ecosystems. Those trees could be in the American West, the Amazon rainforest, or the Russian wilderness. They're still important. Ecosystems ought to be maintained as an end to themselves. Nevermind that humanity is part of the ecosystem just like all other organisms. As the Lion King says, we are all part of the circle of life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Trenton. Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 The earth is fine! it is not us who have to worry. Its our grandchildren, or many greats after that do. Hey, heres an Idea, how bout when we're all about to die of old age, some of us will get together and blow up teh moon! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Cairo Jim Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 Trenton, you do not understand. It's us older generation that's trying to prolong the Earth in such a fashion that when your great grand children have the awesome technology, to not only rape the Earth of all its resources, but to take the whole Solar system for all its worth, and then blow it up in fantastic magnifisence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Trenton. Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 Oh...So we are still killing the universe in a way? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Cairo Jim Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 No, apparently the universe will kill itself. Acording to some people's "theories," we are just helping the planet we live on die quicker than it's spsoe to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Trenton. Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 Thats right. It is the armaggedon year. Were all susposed to die in about, 10 months, and 21 days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Cairo Jim Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 You do realise that "Armageddon" and the end of Mayan calendar are two different things.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Trenton. Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 I refuse to argue. Later. The movie,"Armageddon", insisted that a meteor was about to crash into the earth. What did the end of the mayan calendar predict? The end of the world, with something crashing into us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Cairo Jim Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 "Armageddon" was just a movie, if I remember rightly, starred Bruce Willis. If you want, ask old Brucey what he thinks will happen, and I'm pretty sure it wqould be something comepletly different from the movie he starred in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Lilith Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 Originally Posted By: Trenton-bok I refuse to argue. Later. The movie,"Armageddon", insisted that a meteor was about to crash into the earth. What did the end of the mayan calendar predict? The end of the world, with something crashing into us. actually the mayan calendar didn't predict anything at all, that was just a thing that some new-agers made up because they figured that since their calendar system ended on that date it meant the world had to end too. it would be exactly the same as if someone said that the world had to end on December 31st because that's the end of the year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Trenton. Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 But what about the conspiracy, of science, and orbits, and Planet X? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Cairo Jim Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 Originally Posted By: Lilith I refuse to argue. Later. actually the mayan calendar didn't predict anything at all, that was just a thing that some new-agers made up because they figured that since their calendar system ended on that date it meant the world had to end too. it would be exactly the same as if someone said that the world had to end on December 31st because that's the end of the year. Well since you brought this up, I agree with you on basic principle. Just because my Top Gear calendar ends on December 31st this year, it doesn't mean there isn't a calendar already made for next year. Originally Posted By: Trenton-bok But what about the conspiracy, of science, and orbits, and Planet X? Planet X would signify that we have a hidden 10th planet. As far as modern Astronomy goes, we have only 8 planets in our solar system, with many "minor" planets and minor bodies extending past Neptune, plus the all elusive Oort cloud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Jerakeen Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 Originally Posted By: Actaeon I proposed this (as well as a topic on water rights) sort of in jest, but I actually would like to hear this community's thoughts. Vast sections of forest throughout the west are standing dead. The Aspens aren't handling the temperature changes terribly well, either. According to an article in the New York Times a while back, it's not just here. Trees as far away as Australia and Africa are feeling the heat. Last time I touched on this topic, I encouraged avoidance of the main issue: climate change. This time, I'm considering it natural topic drift. But first... beetle kill. Can it be stopped? Mitigated? Can we use the lumber? Should anyone in the urban West or outside the mountains and Boreal forest even care? (Edit: This IS more interesting than water rights to the Easterners and Europeans here, right?) This is not just a problem in the west. Invaders like the emerald ash borer and the asian long-horned beetle are devastating forests in Ontario. And there doesn't seem to be any effective way to fight them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Cairo Jim Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 Originally Posted By: Jerakeen This is not just a problem in the west. Invaders like the emerald ash borer and the asian long-horned beetle are devastating forests in Ontario. And there doesn't seem to be any effective way to fight them. We have a similar problem here in Australia, but moreso relating to the Cane Toad thats mostly ravaging northern and eastern Australia. A lot of people, until recently have supported eradicting it off our shores, because it is an introduced species thats harming our eco-system. But for some reason, some local eco groups have recently done a backflip on the subject and have decided that it is unjust to kill this harmful pest on our shores. So make sure that whatever eco-idiot hippies don't hinder the progress of getting rid of eco unfriendly pests, just like our idiot government has done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Dantius Posted January 28, 2012 Share Posted January 28, 2012 Originally Posted By: Lilith actually the mayan calendar didn't predict anything at all, that was just a thing that some new-agers made up because they figured that since their calendar system ended on that date it meant the world had to end too. it would be exactly the same as if someone said that the world had to end on December 31st because that's the end of the year. Let's not forget that they tend to also invent elaborate psuedoscientific theories about the planets aligning or a magnetic pole change or galactic space radiation to confirm their obsession with a utterly irrelevant civilization that died out like five hundred years before the Spanish even got there. It's not like people who propose that "we die in 2012 because Mayans!" are making some kind of honest mistake at this point- they've long since passed into willful New-Age delusion and hardly deserve any more attention than Gene Ray or Harold Camping. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Student of Trinity Posted January 28, 2012 Share Posted January 28, 2012 Superstitious theories about the end of the world will end in 2012! Just thought I'd add another ridiculous false prophecy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt Necris Omega Posted January 28, 2012 Share Posted January 28, 2012 I think the world will end just shortly after this changes to "OMG!!! D:" Then we'll all have seconds to curse the mad scientists who've doomed us all before being consumed by a negatively charged mass of strange matter, or some other exotic quantum phenomena that wasn't supposed to happen or be possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall The Ratt Posted January 28, 2012 Share Posted January 28, 2012 That reminds me of isitchristmas.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Actaeon Posted January 28, 2012 Author Share Posted January 28, 2012 Wow. I anticipated topic drift, but this is impressive. I thought we had an end of the world thread. (I'm not complaining, just amused.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Trenton. Posted January 28, 2012 Share Posted January 28, 2012 I like christmas! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Garrulous Glaahk Yuna Corne Posted January 28, 2012 Share Posted January 28, 2012 I really need to know more. Those sorts of wobsites amuse me. www.davidbowieisverydisappointedinyou.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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