Garrulous Glaahk AethirWeb Posted August 27, 2011 Share Posted August 27, 2011 I've noticed so far in GeneForge I that I guess all of my spells come from canisters. So this is a pain in the nEck, usually I would do the extra stuff in my second or third or future runs. I had to chop down, burn down, and headshot down every monster in I guess a quarter of the map just to find a battle alpha or drayk canister. I'm not sure but is there like a shaping shop? I can't beat some bosses, but this is too annoying. I mean even when I use cheats they're not potent. As the money cheat gives 100 coins only... I kinda hope Jeff will remake GeneForge like he's doing with Avernum. But then again the GeneForge games are newer ane easier to handle (Mosty, since I started GeneForge at number then got some of Two and Three done using my friend's copies) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Trenton. Posted August 27, 2011 Share Posted August 27, 2011 Well ofcourse your going to get most of your spells from canisters! What? do you think the island is COVERED with shapers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Nioca Posted August 27, 2011 Share Posted August 27, 2011 Originally Posted By: AethirWeb I can't beat some bosses, but this is too annoying. I mean even when I use cheats they're not potent. As the money cheat gives 100 coins only... Part of that is just because GF1 has the weirdest balance in the series when it comes to enemies. If you're having a lot of difficulty heading one direction, try backtracking and heading somewhere else. If you want to take the cheat route, there should be a character editor floating around these forums somewhere... *goes digging for it* EDIT: Ah, right in the header for this forum. Or through this link. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Triumph Posted August 27, 2011 Share Posted August 27, 2011 The only way to learn new creature types or new spells in Geneforge 1 is via canisters (well, the servant mind in the Ruined School will give you Firebolt if you have enough Leadership). There's really nobody who teaches you those things. Geneforge is pretty open in terms of where it lets you explore. If you're having trouble in one area, it may be too difficult right now, and you should try exploring somewhere else. Also, not every area is meant to be pushed through by brute force; there may be a trick or tactic to clearing a zone that you just haven't found yet. What are your class / level / stats? People on here might be suggest a more effective way to build your character. Edit: and some somehow I took so long writing this that I was sniped by Nioca... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Nioca Posted August 27, 2011 Share Posted August 27, 2011 Originally Posted By: Triumph The only way to learn new creature types or new spells in Geneforge 1 is via canisters (well, the servant mind in the Ruined School will give you Firebolt if you have enough Leadership). There's really nobody who teaches you those things. There's also a few books you can find that will also grant you extra creation or spell levels. The exact number escapes me, but I know there's several in one of the bridge zones (the one with all the crypts). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Triumph Posted August 27, 2011 Share Posted August 27, 2011 You're thinking of The Tombs zone, but those don't give creation or spell levels, they increase magic or shaping skills. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk AethirWeb Posted August 28, 2011 Author Share Posted August 28, 2011 Yeah but could we have like TAKERS who dug up some shaper spells and they'll sell it to anyone who's the most loyal? Or maybe the Sholai did, I mean I know Shapers aren't occuping every Inch of Sucia, but seriously, Sucia used to be a Shaper REasearch island, are you telling ALL of the spells burnt or destroyed?!?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Trenton. Posted August 28, 2011 Share Posted August 28, 2011 Hes got a point. Atleast 1 or 2 books of spells should be in 1 of every 5 shaper spots! And the ones that are there and untouched are the ones that are beyond your knowlage to use! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk nikki. Posted August 28, 2011 Share Posted August 28, 2011 The island has been abandoned for a century, if I recall - the cannisters survived because they were sealed, but paper rots. If any spellbooks survived the purge that the game mentions (I recall one boook being a diary that clearly states it was left behind deliberately), they'd have been destroyed years ago. Though, really, the fact that the island was sealed is all the answer you need - the Shapers didn't want to leave tomes of their knowledge lying around (why would they - the island wasn't lost, it was closed down), so they made sure everything was cleaned up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Trenton. Posted August 28, 2011 Share Posted August 28, 2011 Still, the whole island, and not a SINGLE spell book? It was so huge it had its own mountain range! So you must think there should be one-ONE! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk nikki. Posted August 28, 2011 Share Posted August 28, 2011 Originally Posted By: Trenton Uchiha, rebel servile. Still, the whole island, and not a SINGLE spell book? It was so huge it had its own mountain range! So you must think there should be one-ONE! Given how secretive the Shaper sect is, is it really so surprising that they cleaned out all of their facilities and installations? I mean, it's not likely they would have had shaping (or magic!) books lying around in towns, or the wastes (which take up a huge portion of the island) - everything would've been kept in the labs and shaping halls. And sure, one or two might have been left accidentally, but up against 100 years of exposure to the elements, rogue creations, and wandering servile hands, is it any wonder that the PC doesn't find any? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan Skwish-E Posted August 28, 2011 Share Posted August 28, 2011 "This spellbook will self destruct in 75 years." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Trenton. Posted August 28, 2011 Share Posted August 28, 2011 That really sucks. I mean, they were all over in geneforge 1-4. Never really saw them that much in G5 though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Triumph Posted August 28, 2011 Share Posted August 28, 2011 Sucia was actually abandoned by the Shapers TWO centuries before the start of the game. There indications in different places that some stuff was taken with them, some stuff was destroyed, and some stuff (like a diary Defniel left at Ruined School) fell victim to the ravages of time / rogues / serviles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk nikki. Posted August 28, 2011 Share Posted August 28, 2011 Originally Posted By: Triumph Sucia was actually abandoned by the Shapers TWO centuries before the start of the game. Ah, that just strengthens my point. In the later games, there are still functioning Shaper settlements, so books (and trainers) are obviously more widespread. I really should go back and replay these games, to be fair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk AethirWeb Posted August 29, 2011 Author Share Posted August 29, 2011 Still it's been two centuries couldn't SOMETHING been left?JUST SOMETHING? At least like a few words about a spell we can learn. And couldn't SOME SERVILE found the book and kept it as "The Hoky Bible" the fact they could destroy everything seems long and hard. So why wasn't GeneForge destroyed? (I haven't gone to the end yet, i'm still in the forest quarter of Sucia) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Triumph Posted August 29, 2011 Share Posted August 29, 2011 Well, the Obeyers actually do their best to save a bunch of Shaper papers, but they turn out to all be junk. They get an A for effort, though, and I'm sure some budding social historian would find it all fascinating and write a book from those sources. It just wouldn't teach you how to shape or do magic. The Geneforge was left very well protected and very secure, on purpose, because its makers expected to return to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unflappable Drayk Ceiling Durkheim Posted August 30, 2011 Share Posted August 30, 2011 In fairness, canisters also don't have the same penalties (well, if one considers murderous rage a penalty) as in G2-4, so the fact that only canisters teach spells/creations isn't as much of a handicap as it would be later on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Trenton. Posted August 30, 2011 Share Posted August 30, 2011 Wait, what did you just say? The makers planned to return to it? Do you know what this means! there were rebels even before geneforge! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan Skwish-E Posted August 30, 2011 Share Posted August 30, 2011 In a shaper, I consider Murdersous Rage an asset. I would call it an advantageous trait, with no experience penalty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan Karoka Posted August 30, 2011 Share Posted August 30, 2011 I'd be in a Murderous Rage too if I had to depend on a canister for every fire-trucking thing. EDIT: Yes, fire-trucking is indeed an adjective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Trenton. Posted August 30, 2011 Share Posted August 30, 2011 Dont you already go mad when you use atleast 5 of them? They warp you mind man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk AethirWeb Posted September 1, 2011 Author Share Posted September 1, 2011 Then i shall tell you guys what i'm going to do with an internet meme. ... ... ... break ALL the canisters!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk nikki. Posted September 1, 2011 Share Posted September 1, 2011 Originally Posted By: AethirWeb Then i shall tell you guys what i'm going to do with an internet meme. ... ... ... break ALL the canisters!!! Needs the image. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Trenton. Posted September 2, 2011 Share Posted September 2, 2011 What image? There was supposed to be an image there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk nikki. Posted September 2, 2011 Share Posted September 2, 2011 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Trenton. Posted September 2, 2011 Share Posted September 2, 2011 OH MY GOD WHAT THEH HELL IS THAT?? Is that a guy with a mohawk holding a broom? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk AethirWeb Posted September 2, 2011 Author Share Posted September 2, 2011 Thanks, I can't upload the image cause i'm on vacation and I'm doing this on my iPad. D: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan Karoka Posted September 2, 2011 Share Posted September 2, 2011 Originally Posted By: Nikki. [image] OH MY GOD HOW DID YOU GET MY PICTURE YOU STALKER?!?!?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Trenton. Posted September 3, 2011 Share Posted September 3, 2011 Uh-uh Internet? Quick charlie! Theyre on to us *dashes out the back entrance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Aoslare Posted September 3, 2011 Share Posted September 3, 2011 That was a brilliant comic that did not deserve to be turned into a poor, lolcat-quality meme, with text changed and presentation changed too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Trenton. Posted September 3, 2011 Share Posted September 3, 2011 What brillient comic? I just said what came to mind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Aoslare Posted September 3, 2011 Share Posted September 3, 2011 I wasn't talking to you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Trenton. Posted September 3, 2011 Share Posted September 3, 2011 Neither was I. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk nikki. Posted September 3, 2011 Share Posted September 3, 2011 Originally Posted By: HOUSE of S That was a brilliant comic that did not deserve to be turned into a poor, lolcat-quality meme, with text changed and presentation changed too. I'd never read the original until a few weeks back, and yeah, agreed.Here it is for the interested. Edit: I assume you were talking to me, but given the last few posts, I can't be sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Trenton. Posted September 3, 2011 Share Posted September 3, 2011 XD thats hilarious So thats basicaly it to an adult life. Go to a bank, check emails, go to work, clean? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk nikki. Posted September 3, 2011 Share Posted September 3, 2011 It's a lot harder than it sounds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Trenton. Posted September 3, 2011 Share Posted September 3, 2011 Yeah, it cant be harder than middle school and high school. I tell you, I barly made it through the first 3 weeks, and I still got over 27 weeks to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Dikiyoba Posted September 3, 2011 Share Posted September 3, 2011 Originally Posted By: Nikki I'd never read the original until a few weeks back, and yeah, agreed. I am totally printing out the original "clean all the things" image and sticking on my broom closet door (I'm so adult I finally have a closet I can put my cleaning supplies in, instead of just shoving them into a cupboard or a corner somewhere!). Or maybe right above the kitchen sink so I see it all the time... Dikiyoba is still stuck in the "adults know everything" stage, instead of realizing that adults muddle through as much (if not more, since they have more to worry about) stuff as kids do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan Karoka Posted September 4, 2011 Share Posted September 4, 2011 I still think we should get paid to learn in school. It's just as hard as a job, if not harder. Like, having a test at least 3 times a week isn't that necessary... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Trenton. Posted September 4, 2011 Share Posted September 4, 2011 Yeah, we kids to more work than the teachers! and they get paid! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Dikiyoba Posted September 4, 2011 Share Posted September 4, 2011 Originally Posted By: Trenton Yeah, we kids to more work than the teachers! No, you don't. Quote: and they get paid! Only in comparison to you. It's not like they get paid a lot. Dikiyoba. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan Karoka Posted September 4, 2011 Share Posted September 4, 2011 I remember there was this computerized test. If you answered a question right, the next would be harder. If it's wrong, it get easier. For the math one, my algebra teacher (Honors Algebra I, it's only 8th grade guys) complained to the office that we were getting Algebra II & III questions. Nothing was done, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Trenton. Posted September 4, 2011 Share Posted September 4, 2011 YES WE DO! They come up with the problems and we do them! Why did you get rid of your green fyora/cryora avatar? I liked it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Alorael at Large Posted September 4, 2011 Share Posted September 4, 2011 No, you really don't. Coming up with a syllabus, problems, tests, taking the time to grade, all that takes effort. It takes a lot of effort! And it's often thankless, the pay is lousy, and everyone blames you if the kids you teach aren't learning as much as they should, whether or not there's anything you can do about it. —Alorael, who believes that most of those self-adjusting tests don't give you bad scores if you outdo your level and then do poorly at a higher level. Nothing is done because the test works as designed. Also, interestingly enough, all that testing isn't always just for testing's sake. Studies show quite clearly that you retain much more knowledge if you are tested than if you are not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Trenton. Posted September 4, 2011 Share Posted September 4, 2011 So what? that means we kids dont do any work? we are the ones that laze on a couch? No! We may not do as much as the teachers, but we still do alot! How come we get no money? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Alorael at Large Posted September 4, 2011 Share Posted September 4, 2011 Because you are not doing productive work. Schools derive no income from having students; they can't pass any of that income on to you. You are putting time into your own education in the hopes that you will be better members of society and, critically, have higher incomes later. —Alorael, who hasn't actually done any calculations of how much, say, each hour of high school earns you, on average, over a lifetime. He's pretty sure it's a huge amount. You are paid, just not immediately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Trenton. Posted September 4, 2011 Share Posted September 4, 2011 What can school get me that I already dont have?....Other than a good job Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan Karoka Posted September 4, 2011 Share Posted September 4, 2011 Originally Posted By: Alorael Alorael, who believes that most of those self-adjusting tests don't give you bad scores if you outdo your level and then do poorly at a higher level. I got 210. That's equal to 55% (which is an F). The easiest question I got involved theta and sine. It's not fair! The worst part is that it counts as a quiz grade And during all this, the guy next to me got easy stuff like probability and solving for x. He got 260 (which is 80%) EDIT: Originally Posted By: Trenton Uchiha What can school get me that I already dont have? A date Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Dikiyoba Posted September 4, 2011 Share Posted September 4, 2011 Originally Posted By: Trenton What can school get me that I already dont have? An education? You know, the four R's: reading, 'riting, 'rithmetic, and uh... 'ritical thinking. Okay, Dikiyoba just tacked that last one on there, and it's not part of the standard saying. But it's important nonetheless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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