Seasoned Roamer vstef96 Posted January 15, 2010 Share Posted January 15, 2010 Im going with a shaper and im currently in the storm plains and im level 41, i didnt explore dera reaches and the other area nearby lethia province, i currently have a plated bug. battle beta, drayk, cryodrayk and 2 vlishes. Is that good? and Oh i have lifeforce gauntlets too.Here are my stats: 6 str 4 dex 17 int 4 end battle magic 6 mental magic 8 blessing magic 5 spellcraft 2 7 fire shaping 11 battle shaping 8 magic shaping 8 healing craft 5 leadership 10 mechanics I also have 5 items that would give me a +6 mech boost if theres a tough lock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Dantius Posted January 15, 2010 Share Posted January 15, 2010 Seems good. With the Infiltrator items boost to Lead, you should be fine. You might want to drop a few more points into Mental Magic and Spellcraft, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Dikiyoba Posted January 15, 2010 Share Posted January 15, 2010 You look fairly solid. Are you having difficulty winning fights? If you are having some problems, absorb your weaker creations and replace them with war tralls and rotdhizons as soon as you can. Dikiyoba prefers to have lots and lots of leadership, since there are early uses for it, but the infiltrator items boost that as well as mechanics, so you aren't missing out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall The Ratt Posted January 15, 2010 Share Posted January 15, 2010 Don't boost magic too much, there are artifacts that do that later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Dantius Posted January 16, 2010 Share Posted January 16, 2010 Originally Posted By: The Ratt Don't boost magic too much, there are artifacts that do that later. It's too late for that, he already got the Lifeforce gloves, so no Firesteel gloves. So yeah, boost magic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall The Ratt Posted January 16, 2010 Share Posted January 16, 2010 Depends on the levels he wants in those skills. If he has an effective horde, he will have very little need for Mental Magic because he will be able to kill everything very quickly. Spellcraft will be good either way. Because he already has the Lifeforce gauntlets let us assume he will be making a major artifact from them. This means he will either get the Gauntlets of Mastery or the Lifecrafter Gauntlets which both add +2 to Battle, Mental, and Blessing Magics. This will not send his skill levels through the roof but are still quite respectable and, as stated before, if he has an effective horde, will be enough. Edit: Just checked, I have a level 48 lifecrafter with 10 battle, 8 mental, 10 blessing, and 7 spellcraft. He's doing fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Lilith Posted January 16, 2010 Share Posted January 16, 2010 Originally Posted By: The Ratt Depends on the levels he wants in those skills. If he has an effective horde, he will have very little need for Mental Magic because he will be able to kill everything very quickly. This is pretty badly wrong, he's going to regret not having decent Mental Magic when he runs into a swarm of podlings or something. I mean, you don't need a huge amount but you can't afford to ignore it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seasoned Roamer vstef96 Posted January 16, 2010 Author Share Posted January 16, 2010 Thanks for the reply guys btw im on casual and i cant beat that gazer ( has a unique name ) and his podling servants in Northwestern wasteland ( that area is in front of fort defiance ). And im going for lifecrafter gauntlets. I gave more str to the vlishes and now they deal 120 each, the battle beta can do 100 dmg, and the plated bug can 90, cryodrayk does 130 and dryak does 150. EDIT: errr plated bug. not clawbug EDIT2: does cleanse group gets rid of daze slow and other such effects? EDIT3: lol 3rd edit, the gazer is in the area in front of fort vengeance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Acky Posted January 16, 2010 Share Posted January 16, 2010 Yep. It clears all negative effects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Barzhal Posted January 16, 2010 Share Posted January 16, 2010 Originally Posted By: Lilith Originally Posted By: The Ratt Depends on the levels he wants in those skills. If he has an effective horde, he will have very little need for Mental Magic because he will be able to kill everything very quickly. This is pretty badly wrong, he's going to regret not having decent Mental Magic when he runs into a swarm of podlings or something. I mean, you don't need a huge amount but you can't afford to ignore it. It's not wrong, it's a matter of preference. I've never relied on mental magic primarily because you don't get experience when charmed creations kill enemies. While I may have to reload a few more times than if I had used mental magic, I've never regretted it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Lilith Posted January 16, 2010 Share Posted January 16, 2010 Originally Posted By: Barzhal It's not wrong, it's a matter of preference. I've never relied on mental magic primarily because you don't get experience when charmed creations kill enemies. While I may have to reload a few more times than if I had used mental magic, I've never regretted it. There's also Daze, you know. Also the thing about kills from charmed creations not giving you XP isn't actually true any more, you'll usually get experience as long as you've attacked the enemy personally or with one of your own creations at least once. And it's really not just a matter of "reloading a few more times"; mental magic allows strategies that are simply impossible without it. Try winning a straight-up fight with the Pairbond Constructs in the challenge area without mental magic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seasoned Roamer vstef96 Posted January 16, 2010 Author Share Posted January 16, 2010 im updated i got to gazaki-uss and stole the canister for gazer and war trall. i made a war trall and gave it 3 str 1 dex and 1 end more.I also swore allegiance to alwan, yet shaper marzar wont teach me any new creations.Do i need to do more for alwan in order for shaper marzan to teach me new creations? also my vlishes get a bit ... rusty should i absorb one of them and replace with a wingbolt? EDIT: i got the projection belt ( -2 str, +4 str and dex of creations) and used it instead of the gridle of genius, also that Shackkus-Eye in front of fort vengeance had a very nice ring, Forbidden Band (+1 str,dex,int,end ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Barzhal Posted January 16, 2010 Share Posted January 16, 2010 Originally Posted By: Lilith Originally Posted By: Barzhal It's not wrong, it's a matter of preference. I've never relied on mental magic primarily because you don't get experience when charmed creations kill enemies. While I may have to reload a few more times than if I had used mental magic, I've never regretted it. There's also Daze, you know. Also the thing about kills from charmed creations not giving you XP isn't actually true any more, you'll usually get experience as long as you've attacked the enemy personally or with one of your own creations at least once. And it's really not just a matter of "reloading a few more times"; mental magic allows strategies that are simply impossible without it. Try winning a straight-up fight with the Pairbond Constructs in the challenge area without mental magic. Yes, daze can be nice, but I don't use it. While I don't deny mental magic gives a set of viable strategies, it is not the only set of viable strategies. I have beat the pairbound constructs and the entire challenge area four times (twice on torment) without mental magic (and without cheating). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody Hypnotic Posted January 16, 2010 Share Posted January 16, 2010 Originally Posted By: Lilith Try winning a straight-up fight with the Pairbond Constructs in the challenge area without mental magic. Oh I did. it was on normal though. On my first try ever doing a challenge area. I left one rotdhizon for them to play with while I went back and killed the Drakon. (My PC had already deativate the spiral). I thought I wouldn't have to worrie about his creations while I delt with the constructs. Wrong. When I left the area and came back (Recharged), as soon as I entered the first guantet area past the shaped door the constructs would start hunting me. Since I had previously triggered them. The good news was that the Acid one always came first by about 5 seconds (Tried multiple times). It was easy to pick it off without the flame one nearby. I can't remeber my creations mix and I played as a Shaper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Randomizer Posted January 16, 2010 Share Posted January 16, 2010 Originally Posted By: Victor I also swore allegiance to alwan, yet shaper marzar wont teach me any new creations.Do i need to do more for alwan in order for shaper marzan to teach me new creations? Each faction has two quests that you can do without swearing to join, but are merely doing to show loyalty. After that you swear allegiance to the leader and get a third quest. This is usally the point where you can get advanced training, but you lose that if you change factions. You may need to ask the faction leader, Alwan, to get that advanced training. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seasoned Roamer vstef96 Posted January 17, 2010 Author Share Posted January 17, 2010 thanks randomizer but i recieved advanced shaper training after i did his 'get the unbound sample' quest, also im at the perikalia south gate and fought many rogues togheter with the guards, tho one of my vlishes got low hp and gone rogue... you can probably guess that my other creations destroy it... so should i get a wingbolt to fill that spot?Also when i said i made a war trall i absorbed the battle beta.I found 2 mandrake tinctures in gorash-kel and the secret laboratory and i used them to make more artifacts, particulary the LIFEBRINGER GRIDLE ( major ) and SUNFIRE GREAVES ( minor ) EDIT: i hunted down the bandit Bennhold and found a purple crystal called Acess Crystal, what can i use it for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall The Ratt Posted January 17, 2010 Share Posted January 17, 2010 The access crystal is an item needed to get into the challenge area. You need the other one which is either in Kayar's Spire or Kayar's Spire Cells to enter a bunker in Okavano Fens area, specifically the area outside the Trakovite Haven. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Dikiyoba Posted January 17, 2010 Share Posted January 17, 2010 It's in the Spire itself, not the Cells. Dikiyoba isn't crazy about wingbolts in this game. If you're going to make them, it's better to make them early. Shape another war trall instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody Hypnotic Posted January 17, 2010 Share Posted January 17, 2010 Originally Posted By: Victor tho one of my vlishes got low hp and gone rogue... you can probably guess that my other creations destroy it... Quick question, do you give your creations two points of intellegence? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seasoned Roamer vstef96 Posted January 17, 2010 Author Share Posted January 17, 2010 nope i let them kill everything thats not friendly in sight, i dont like to command like 5-6 creations in a fight, its going to be a boring long combat if i did so... i created a wingbolt and guess what? it SUCKS 150 magic damage isnt a big deal for 140 essence + 20 more essence for +2 str i put in it...so i made another rotdhizon instead. By the way i got 2 rotdhizons 1 war trall and 1 cryodrayk and a dryak, 1 more level and im gonna hit 999 essence whohooo, by the way... i got crystalline fibers and essence infused iron im going to strategy central to check out what can i make EDIT: i have lifecrafter gauntlets nao. EDIT2: how can i open the western door in lost dera vault? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Randomizer Posted January 17, 2010 Share Posted January 17, 2010 Originally Posted By: Victor EDIT2: how can i open the western door in lost dera vault? The door is only for people that swear to Taygan's faction. He gives them a key into it for a quest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seasoned Roamer vstef96 Posted January 18, 2010 Author Share Posted January 18, 2010 any idea on how to beat the challenge area? i tryed to kill the drakon but i must take down his shield and his shield is a power spiral guarded by the pairbound constructs and even if i take the power down the constructs will kill me, i tryed using essence armor, elemental aura and that defense buff , and yet i still get killed by the construct that does 150 acid damage, my creations stand outside the room with the drakon, they cant do anything my creations will aimlessly attack the drakon and i cant slip past with them... so im pretty much stuck here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Randomizer Posted January 18, 2010 Share Posted January 18, 2010 The easiest way to kill the shielded drakon is slowly kill him with acid and charm any summoned creations. It makes this a long fight, but it's better than fighting his two summoned creations, the glaahks, and then the pair bound constructs too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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