Well-Actually War Trall Emperor Tullegolar Posted March 17, 2007 Share Posted March 17, 2007 Who do you think has contributed the most to the art of shaping within the span of the Geneforge games? Please be prepared to support your decision, and be aware that the game can be full of propaganga, we are looking for actual achievements here. I did not include Danette because she is the undisputed master of her own field (self-shaping). No one has ever really improved on Danettes works since, so that puts her in her own catagory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Mea Tulpa Posted March 17, 2007 Share Posted March 17, 2007 Tuldaric's should read "Magical Capacity for Serviles and Humans." Or didn't you augment yourself in G2, ET? (Edit: And it's spelled Tuldaric.) I'm a little confused at your continued use of the term "self-shaping". Isn't the distinction really between (1) creating new life forms (traditional shaping) (2) modifying existing creations (3) modifying humans Also, did Litalia actually invent the Warped Creators? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Emperor Tullegolar Posted March 17, 2007 Author Share Posted March 17, 2007 I was actually modified by the Barzites. What I meant by self-shaping was modifying humans. This pretty much only removes Danette from the picture, anyone else is fair game. I did this because it is difficult to decide which is more significant: modifying people or making better creations. I want this poll to be limited to new and/or improved creations. Edit: Oh, and I'm not certain Litalia invented the creator, but she is the only person in the game to make them, so I thought it was a fair assumption. It was either her, Akhari-Blaze, or Ghaldring, so feel free to replace her name with whomever you think may have invented them when you vote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Sudanna Posted March 17, 2007 Share Posted March 17, 2007 Shaper Monarch. The Titan was way too powerful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan Questionmarks. Posted March 18, 2007 Share Posted March 18, 2007 The drakons...in the end of the game the unbound destroy everything! hahahah! Thank you Eass! but what is a clockwork drakon? i agree the titan was very powerful...but the unbound are so...hmm,hard to explain it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curious Artila Keolah Posted March 18, 2007 Share Posted March 18, 2007 The drakons are not really very creative. They seem to think that the solution to everything is better drakons. Personally my vote would go to "whoever invented wingbolts", but since we don't know who that was, I'll go with Tuldaric. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt Suspicious Vlish Posted March 18, 2007 Share Posted March 18, 2007 The Drakon who managed to modify serviles in such a way so that they could cast powerful magic spells (I think it was Easss...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Micawber Posted March 18, 2007 Share Posted March 18, 2007 Actually that wasn't a drakon, it was Tuldaric: Code: text1 = "MAGIC AND THE SERVILES, by Learned Jaffee";text2 = "When the Shapers created us serviles, they were faced witha great quandary. How were they to simultaneously give usintelligence and autonomy and take from us the powers that come tohuman students of the arts of power?";text3 = "Keeping serviles from learning magic was of greatimportance to them, so they attempted to shape us to make us unableto work spells. They were partially successful. Learning magic waspossible for serviles, but generally drove the caster mad.";text4 = "But that is in the past. Thanks to the Shaping techniqueslearned on Sucia Island, the blocks placed on the serviles by theShapers have largely been removed. And that is only one of themarvelous modifications Tuldaric has performed.";text5 = "We Awakened see ourselves as free beings, equal to humans.Thanks to our work here, that claim has much more justification."; Edit: Tully, well done for finally coming up with a poll that Barzahl will win... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt Suspicious Vlish Posted March 18, 2007 Share Posted March 18, 2007 Mica, I know that Tulduric discovered how to alter serviles. But I also thought that the Drakons made a similiar discovery independent of Tulduric and the Awakened (eg. Eass has the ability to Shape you without any required machinery). Or was that only after you stole the Awakaned Research for the Takers? I'm not sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt Suspicious Vlish Posted March 18, 2007 Share Posted March 18, 2007 Also, the poll neglects to mention the Shaper who created Drayks. Drayks are by far the 'best' creation in the game, when considering strength vs. cost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Student of Trinity Posted March 18, 2007 Share Posted March 18, 2007 This is the best poll idea I've seen in a long time. I had to go with Barzahl, somewhat to my surprise. Actually generating new types of intelligent and mobile creations seems like the biggest step to me, more or less on grounds of coolness, and Barzahl gave us several powerful creations, apparently single-handedly. I sort of wish, now, that G2 could have had more scripting and plotting, like G4. Maybe then Barzahl himself wouldn't be stuck in my memory as this idiot who just stood there glowing while you gradually destroyed his empire, and finally him. Thinking back now, it seems he deserved better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Aeshi Posted March 18, 2007 Share Posted March 18, 2007 Isn't Jeff an option?He DID make the game after all! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Mea Tulpa Posted March 18, 2007 Share Posted March 18, 2007 Quote: Originally written by Waylander:Mica, I know that Tulduric discovered how to alter serviles. But I also thought that the Drakons made a similiar discovery independent of Tulduric and the Awakened (eg. Eass has the ability to Shape you without any required machinery). Or was that only after you stole the Awakaned Research for the Takers? I'm not sure. This point is unclear. However, everyone in the valley beyond Freegate -- the Takers, Barzites and Awakened -- originally worked together. It was only when Barzahl became megalomanaical that the Takers and Awakened left. We know that the designs for Drakons/Gazers/Rots all came from that collaborative period, with Barzahl's mind behind them. The simplest explanation for Tuldaric's augmentation would seem to be the parallel one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody The_Nazgul Posted March 18, 2007 Share Posted March 18, 2007 Barzahl, honorable mention to that mad shaper Monarch, the Titan is an impressive thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Andraste Posted March 18, 2007 Share Posted March 18, 2007 The Shaper of the Year is: You! Sorry, it had to be said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Emperor Tullegolar Posted March 18, 2007 Author Share Posted March 18, 2007 Quote: Originally written by Student of Trinity: I sort of wish, now, that G2 could have had more scripting and plotting, like G4. Maybe then Barzahl himself wouldn't be stuck in my memory as this idiot who just stood there glowing while you gradually destroyed his empire, and finally him. Thinking back now, it seems he deserved better. If I can convince more people of this, all the time I've wasted here will have been worth it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Mea Tulpa Posted March 18, 2007 Share Posted March 18, 2007 I still can't get over how much "Barzahl" sounds like "Garzahd". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt Suspicious Vlish Posted March 18, 2007 Share Posted March 18, 2007 Emp: Quote: If I can convince more people of this, all the time I've wasted here will have been worth it. You don't need to convince me. I always thought that Barzhal was a pretty impressive character, and that he should have been fleshed out more. It would have been awesome to see him go one-on-one with one of the Taker Triad. Although in a sense, it isn't wise for the leader of a faction to run headlong into danger. As they say, if the head of the snake is sliced off, the snake will die... Better to stay safe in your hall softly glowing, while your minions do the dirty work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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