Tenderfoot Thahd dbouya Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 (edited) avernum escape from the pit is the latest game? is it a prequel to the avernum series? is it a full length avernum game? or is it shorter? how does it compare in terms of awesomeness to avadon? which I liked? Edited November 10, 2012 by Odyffyus Edited the thread title for sanity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk nikki. Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 Avernum: Escape from the Pit is a remake of an older SW game: Avernum 1 (which is a remake of SW's first game, Exile 1). It's a full-length game, yes. As for how it compares to Avadon, well, that's a harder question... It's far less linear, and less plot-driven. It's more an open world, with lots of quests to discover and complete, though there is something of a path which is recommended you take (and it's made clear in-game). Of course, SW offers huge free demos, so feel free to try it out! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Lilith Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 Avernum: Escape from the Pit is a remake of Avernum 1, so it's a full-length Avernum game and significantly larger than Avadon: maybe a little more than twice as big overall. (Yes, Avernum 1 itself is a remake of Exile 1. Yes, this makes A:EftP a remake of a remake. Apparently there's still a market for a remake with revamped gameplay and an updated engine that runs well on modern computers.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenderfoot Thahd dbouya Posted November 10, 2012 Author Share Posted November 10, 2012 hmm are you saying avernum games tended to be twice as long as avadon? I hadn't realized avadon was short! it took me a long time to play it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk nikki. Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 Yeah, they're pretty big. Avernum 3 is the largest SW game by far, I think. There'll be a remake of that in a few years' time, but the original Avernum trilogy are still very playable despite a slightly inferior UI. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Randomizer Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 The first 3 Avernum games are long because the open world lets you explore and go off on lots on side quests. Exile games are even longer because the dungeons repopulate every time you enter them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt Mosquito---Slayer Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 Of course, SW offers huge free demos, so feel free to try it out! That's sort of not true for the latest games, the demos in them have been pretty small. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk nikki. Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 That's sort of not true for the latest games, the demos in them have been pretty small. They're still a sizeable portion of game (I guess Avadon is an exception, but it;s a much smaller game...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt Mosquito---Slayer Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 They're still a sizeable portion of game (I guess Avadon is an exception, but it;s a much smaller game...) Dunno, sort of depends on high you define sizeable, A6 was decent but G5, Avadon and A:eftp felt rather small to me, especially when I remember that it took me 2 whole months to go through A3 demo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Randomizer Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 Avadon is the smallest and it was originally one zone smaller. Avernum: Escape from the Pit is much smaller than Avernum 1 and Exile 1. Geneforge 5 seems smaller since there is less to do and freedom to do it. Jeff spoiled us with the Exile and first Avernum trilogy demos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unflappable Drayk Death Knight Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 I find that while the older games offer more freedom with stat choices, the new system of Avadon and Avernum: EFTP makes playing the original gene forge 1-5 and all other games pointless. The new game system is much more well done and offers more freedom in the long run. Also, you are given much more leniency in finding out what works in game. I find that if you are a new player, once you play Avadon or Avernum EFTP, you will enjoy the leveling system much much more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt Mosquito---Slayer Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 the new system of Avadon and Avernum: EFTP makes playing the original gene forge 1-5 and all other games pointless. Well, they had different stories . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unflappable Drayk Death Knight Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 I just find the old games to be fun for the first 1/4 of the game. But after that all skills that you mastered, no longer have the ability to make major changes. From there you just make minor changes of weapon skills, melee, intelligence and endurance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Alorael at Large Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 Yes. Ironically the classless system often leaves you locked into a class from your first character build. You can be bold and add priest spells to your fighters or have your casters pick up the other type of spell on the side, or have your priest dabble in hitting enemies with swords, but your characters tend to play as whatever they played as at level 1. —Alorael, who thinks there's a serious lesson in direct comparisons. E1's demo was quite precisely half the game: a line drawn down the middle of the map could not be crossed until you registered. A1 shifted the line east and added more barriers to the south, leaving you really just the northeast. I don't actually know A:EFtP's demo size but it's certainly no larger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt Mosquito---Slayer Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 A:eftp is only the eastern gallery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Dear Potato Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 A:eftp is only the eastern gallery. What? Is this true? I assumed the remake-remake was 1:1 in that regard...the original ones have even bigger worlds? if thats the case, could anyone explain me how? Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Triumph Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 What? Is this true? I assumed the remake-remake was 1:1 in that regard...the original ones have even bigger worlds? if thats the case, could anyone explain me how? Thanks! He meant only the demo - you were correct in thinking that A:EftP does indeed fully recreate the original (and actually it adds a little bit of content here and there). But the demo of A:EftP is smaller than the demo in the original. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Alorael at Large Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 My point is that the demo in A:EftP is smaller than the demo of A1 which is smaller than the demo of E1. Jeff has been cutting back on free area size. —Alorael, who doesn't fault him for it. E1's demo was so large many players would probably get bored and stop before having to register. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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