Easygoing Eyebeast Trenton. Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 Just finished his faction and I have to say...Im not impressed. Don't get me wrong, I don't hate it, I just don't like it. So what, I came down with the stomach flu, but Oh my god, humans were damaged with this! his wife got killed. but hey no more rebellion? Oh no but My favorite councilor Alwan expired! Im sorta half in half. However, I love this game beyond belief.Thank you, Jeff vogel! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall A less presumptuous name. Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 You're not supposed to like Taygen, so it's fitting that his ending is pretty much sucky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Archaeolagent Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 You're not "supposed" to like or dislike anyone. Jeff has stated this explicitly, i.e., the game was not written with the intention of making certain characters appeal to everyone or disgust everyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Pyrrhus Posted November 25, 2011 Share Posted November 25, 2011 If you don't want Alwan dead then work for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Trenton. Posted November 26, 2011 Author Share Posted November 26, 2011 So the only way for alwan to live a natural life is to join his faction? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall A less presumptuous name. Posted November 26, 2011 Share Posted November 26, 2011 As I remember, Alwan dies no matter what, but he lives to see the peace in his and Astoria's endings. My memory could be skewed, though, as I haven't played in a long time and I can't seem to find the scripts on this computer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Pyrrhus Posted November 26, 2011 Share Posted November 26, 2011 You can also mess around with the scripts to change what the ending says Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Trenton. Posted November 26, 2011 Author Share Posted November 26, 2011 So you could make it say, "Trenton had scourged the rebel menace and lived the rest of his life living in the storm plains. He often went to the dera reaches south shore after purging the lands of the Un-bound too to have a huge yacht party every two weekends. All of the councilors came, enjoyed shrimp, wine, and women and the other sexes, all except for rawal who was never allowed on the yacht, he could often be seen crying against the dera-reaches vault with his teddy bear for being excluded. The end" Yeah, that would be the life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Pyrrhus Posted November 26, 2011 Share Posted November 26, 2011 You should change it to that.... I'm not sure about the "enjoying women" part for Astoria though... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Trenton. Posted November 26, 2011 Author Share Posted November 26, 2011 There, happy? And here I thought some one would say they thought the rawal part was funny But could you make it say that with scripting? Because I thought that it was all drawn out,with the pictures there. And unless you can make alwan in a swim suit and a Hawaiian shirt holding a chamgane bottle, I don't think that is gonna happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Pyrrhus Posted November 26, 2011 Share Posted November 26, 2011 It might be possible. I'm not that great with script, so I don't know for sure. If there is a way to change the end text then you can put that in though..... The Rawal part was funny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk nikki. Posted November 26, 2011 Share Posted November 26, 2011 Originally Posted By: Pyrrhus You should change it to that.... I'm not sure about the "enjoying women" part for Astoria though... Why not? It's not like Jeff has shied away from bi- or homosexual characters in the past (though, granted, not since Avernum 3 (right?)). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Pyrrhus Posted November 26, 2011 Share Posted November 26, 2011 If you replace the file with what you want then most likely it will say that instead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Trenton. Posted November 27, 2011 Author Share Posted November 27, 2011 Ive played every game's demo through to the end. I currently own this game and exile three. I have never seen, one bi- fictional character in these games. It is lucky that even the tinniest slip of romance appears in geneforge. The only Shaper I have seen with a wife is taygen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Pyrrhus Posted November 27, 2011 Share Posted November 27, 2011 Who would want to marry him??? Another sneak of romance is in G4 when a rebel mentions that the serviles make more serviles... In G3 some people are married also Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall A less presumptuous name. Posted November 27, 2011 Share Posted November 27, 2011 There is a servile in GF1 that tells you that her (more or less) husband is out doing something. I can't remember the details of it all, but there is certainly some marriage-esque relationship there. EDIT: In Pentil, if memory serves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Trenton. Posted November 27, 2011 Author Share Posted November 27, 2011 Well of-course Pyrrhus! Making serviles is a huge pain, so they give most serviles a gender. This means you no longer have to make serviles, which takes hours on end to create half-intellegent beings to do all your work, and they will make themselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Pyrrhus Posted November 27, 2011 Share Posted November 27, 2011 In G3 I remember that one lady that tells you not to kill the harmony rebels because her husband is one of them. She shunned my shaper after I went and killed them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Trenton. Posted November 27, 2011 Author Share Posted November 27, 2011 Eh, I remember the couple. The guy was stupid for joining lankan, and she was stupid for marrying him >.> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Pyrrhus Posted November 27, 2011 Share Posted November 27, 2011 That was the same game that I killed both harmony towns. I guess she met him in heaven in the end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Pyrrhus Posted November 27, 2011 Share Posted November 27, 2011 ~Pyrrhus looks at Trenton. Hey you creation thingy over there, go get me some coffee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Alorael at Large Posted November 27, 2011 Share Posted November 27, 2011 Please don't double post. You can edit what you want to say into your last post. —Alorael, who still doesn't think there's much romance in Spiderweb games. There are marriages, but romance? There's the very eligible but secluded girl in A4 and Alwan's very subtle possible romance with Miranda. Oh, and the Nethergate GIFTS with their harmony disturbed by the females' cannibalism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Pyrrhus Posted November 27, 2011 Share Posted November 27, 2011 I never even noticed Alwan liked Miranda. I feel unobservant They don't exactly have romance scenes although they may suggest that romance is taking place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Trenton. Posted November 28, 2011 Author Share Posted November 28, 2011 GIFTS spiders swallow the males after courtship in the Nethergate world too? I didn't know they were that mean. *gulp* Please don't eat my head! I will be your best friend! ~Pyrrhus: Get your own coffee ssstupid SShaper. See? Instead of spamming up the topic, you can put what you In Character in the original post instead of a new one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Pyrrhus Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 What I have always wondered is why there are never any children included in the maps. You would think that at least one peasant would have a child. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Alorael at Large Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 That's actually a graphics limitation. Jeff hasn't bothered to pay an artists to make him sprites for children, so he doesn't use them. And he doesn't use them, so he has no need to pay for the sprites. —Alorael, who wonders if perhaps the denizens of Terrestia are canny about the tendency of adventurers to turn amazingly violent at the drop of a hat. That's partly canister addiction, of course, but it's more their insatiable craving for experience and loot. Hiding your children whenever heavily armed strangers with a pack of creations in tow show up just seems smart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Randomizer Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 Children appear in the early Avernum/Exile games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Pyrrhus Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 I see now.... Hide the wife and Children type erra. me seez tha light.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Dikiyoba Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 There are actually a few servile children in the first two Geneforges. Depending on which faction you choose, things can go pretty poorly for them. The ability to slaughter everyone in a zone at will could be one reason we don't see any children anymore. Dikiyoba. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Randomizer Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 I think there are legal issues with games in Europe that have the possibility of killing children. Not that our players would slaughter innocents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Trenton. Posted November 29, 2011 Author Share Posted November 29, 2011 *gives a shifty glance* Even if it was good therapy to go into the old exile towns or geneforge lands and kill innocent women and children. It would either be their own fault for attacking a rebel shaper, or for being in a town with guards to kill. It is their fault for getting in the way. Even if it is good therapy I wouldn't kill them myself. And besides, they are computerized game characters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan Skwish-E Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 Slaughter the innocent. Their souls taste better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Trenton. Posted November 29, 2011 Author Share Posted November 29, 2011 Fool. Everyone knows that souls taste better with a dash of salt and a generous amount of ketchup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Pyrrhus Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 We never slaughter the peasants. Never ever. We just stab them with a sword and they magically disapear and leave a blood splatter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Alorael at Large Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 1. You cannot put ketchup on souls. It falls right through. 2. Let me express why I find this exchange baffling by changing the base food and condiment: "I think salmon taste better [than other fish]." "Fool. Everyone knows that fish taste better with a dash of salt and a generous amount of ketchup" Do you see the non-sequitur there? —Alorael, who is also worried about the "computerized game characters" bit. If those who argue that this universe is a simulation that presents some glaring ethical issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Pyrrhus Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 Is it weird that I don't like fish? I prefer steak... but then again I live in Texas. I personally think that it doesn't present ethical issues. I know that the majority of us wouldn't think about shooting anyone unless under self-defense. I know for a fact that all of us have played a game where you killed someone. We most likely didn't give a damn about killing them either. The simple reason is because we don't actually kill them, so we don't feel guilty. I'm trying to make my posts longer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unflappable Drayk Ceiling Durkheim Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 Quote: Is it weird that I don't like fish? I prefer steak... but then again I live in Texas. I don't like fish, but then I'm a vegetarian. I think Alorael's point about simulations was that if this universe is a simulation, and we experience consciousness, think and feel, then we have no strong reason to believe other simulations (e.g. video game characters) don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Pyrrhus Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 Ahhhh I see now. Like Jeff is god to all the Geneforge characters. It is an interesting concept. Sometimes I wonder why God decided to create the world. The one thing that I think proves that they don't is that you can redo things. But then again, things could be redoing in our world and we don't notice. Yup, It is an interesting concept Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Alorael at Large Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 More seriously, we know game characters don't experience pain. They don't experience anything; they're not programmed for it. In the case of Spiderweb games, most aren't even programmed to simulate pain, or much of anything else. If we ever simulate consciousness, though, it becomes a meaningful question. My post was a joking jab at your way of phrasing it. "Computerized game characters" doesn't explicitly say anything about what philosophers call qualia and what we might call experiencing anything. Of course we know that NPCs don't experience in any computers we own, but what if we're actually all the NPCs in some hugely complex simulated world that some superior entity or entities are running? —Alorael, who doesn't worry about why God created the world. God, using most Judeo-Christian views, did it for inscrutable but necessarily good reasons. It's entities that are godlike from human perspective but not from their own that worry him. Would you want the world to be someone's game of The Sims? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall A less presumptuous name. Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 Who says that superior entities are running the Matrix? Look at Watson and the IBM challenge - we're making huge leaps and bounds in artificial intelligence. I'll tell you what really happened. In what we think of as our future, human beings finally had world war three. Now, by this point, all the books of the world had become digitized and the hard copies were all kept in a single location. So during the war, then the book museum was burned and the digital library hacked and erased, humans were left without history. So they programmed the universe into one of their fancy supercomputers and hit "run." By observing us, they are recopying their own history. The interesting question, then, is that if we are a perfect simulation running say, 5000 years behind them, will we someday create a virtual machine within our own program to find out our program's history? Inception of universes instead of dreams! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan Skwish-E Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 Too much think make head hurt. Go pound something now... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Alorael at Large Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 Imagine all conceivable beings who could simulate our universe. What fraction of them are humans living in a universe similar to ours? —Alorael, who also assumes that quantum mechanics are just a way to reduce the number of processor cycles dedicated to parts of the universe no one cares about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Pyrrhus Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 that concept scares me. One thing with that though.... who is the PC? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Alorael at Large Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 There are several possibilities. The commonly chosen one is that there isn't one. This is a simulation, not a game. But anyone could be the PC if we're a very complex game and someone is playing it. Or many people; who's to say it's not multiplayer? Or an MMO? Maybe all deities ever worshipped are the players of this god game we're living in. —Alorael, who could even espouse a solipsistic view and say that he's the PC in a full-immersion simulation and everyone else is the NPCs. Or, from your perspective, that you're that lone PC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Pyrrhus Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 true. Why would someone make a game about normal life though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Sudanna Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Alorael at Large Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 Also a reason why the more common hypothesis is that we're a simulation. The point could be to see what a universe is like with the physical constants of our universe, or it could be to see what happens if a system is set to the conditions of 1443 and then allowed to run until all humans are dead. Who knows? —Alorael, who prefers to imagine that this is all a bizarre AI development program. When you "die" you're judged for commercial viability, and if you're deemed a success you go on to be sold in mass quantities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Pyrrhus Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 You die and go to heaven. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Trenton. Posted December 2, 2011 Author Share Posted December 2, 2011 Originally Posted By: Thin Gypsy Thief Snip He got you good pyrhhus! See also: Sims 2 Sims 3 Other sims games than sims 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Pyrrhus Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 I never heard of that game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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