Fledgling Fyora Pvthudson Posted August 7, 2011 Share Posted August 7, 2011 Im tired of solo adventure games and overhyped games with crappy 3D graphics (cough Dragon Age) I want to go back to old school have 5 party members, equip em, dungeon crawl, fight and explore Which Spiderweb game would be best for me? Preferably something new and up to date in a series Oh and can you get it as a digital download Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Dantius Posted August 7, 2011 Share Posted August 7, 2011 All Jeff's games have digital download. To break it up by series: Geneforge series games focus heavily on creating your party in a literal sense- summoning allies and recruiting NPC's and such. Avernum is probably closer to what you are looking for- you create a party of 4 and go have adventures. If you're feeling really nostalgic, Exile is a 2D game that's exactly like Avernum bu with more spells and 6 PC's. Avadon is a low-budget Dragon Age "spiritual successor", so you proibably won't like it. Nethergate is an interesting take on the Roman conquest of Britain BUT WITH MAGIC!1!1!! and a lot of people here like it. If I had to take a WAG as to what you'd like the most in spirit of old-style Bioware games, I'd say you couldn't go wrong with a hefty dose of Avernum III. Download the MASSIVE demo and try it before you buy- Jeff's demos are practically a game within a game! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Enraged Slith Posted August 7, 2011 Share Posted August 7, 2011 What did you mean by 'WAG'? EDIT: Also, Avadon is fantastic. I haven't played Dragon Age, but I would be surprised if it was half as engrossing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Dantius Posted August 7, 2011 Share Posted August 7, 2011 Originally Posted By: Enraged Slith What did you mean by 'WAG'? EDIT: Also, Avadon is fantastic. I haven't played Dragon Age, but I would be surprised if it was half as engrossing. Wild Ass Guess. I'm surprised that that's not common slang, people I know use it all the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Randomizer Posted August 7, 2011 Share Posted August 7, 2011 Avernum and Nethergate are closer to what he requested. They both have multi-character parties and plenty of dungeons to crawl through. Welcome to Spiderweb Software. Please leave your sanity at the door. It helps resolve conflicting advice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Sarachim Posted August 7, 2011 Share Posted August 7, 2011 Avadon is the only one where you recruit a party whose members have minds of their own, though. It feels the most BG-like to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Jerakeen Posted August 7, 2011 Share Posted August 7, 2011 Try Avadon while we're waiting for the remake of Avernum: Escape From the Pit. That will be an up-to-date version of Jeff's classic party-based adventure game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fledgling Fyora Pvthudson Posted August 7, 2011 Author Share Posted August 7, 2011 Do you all think Avadon is as good for the PC/MAC as it would be the Ipad? Also can you move the party members by themselves or as a group when not in combat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Jerakeen Posted August 7, 2011 Share Posted August 7, 2011 As good as the ipad? I assume so, at least. They're much the same, but the with the PC/Mac version (if you download direct from Spiderweb and not from the Mac App Store) you can also insert mods like the unofficial character editor and a couple of useful cheats. You can't do that with the ipad version. When not in combat, your Avadon party moves in a wedge formation. In Avernum, the party has always marched along in a comically straight line. I don't know if that will be retained in the update; probably. Geneforge gives you more choices as to formation, and also lets you place individual characters/creations strategically, outside of combat. Or leave some of them behind, if desired. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unflappable Drayk ĐªгŦĦ Єяŋϊε Posted August 7, 2011 Share Posted August 7, 2011 watching everyone marching like that over terrain was always good for a laugh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Earth Posted August 7, 2011 Share Posted August 7, 2011 few times at Avadon when I have clicked some spot where I want chars to go main has been got stopped by some1 while others have gone to that spot I clicked and that has leaded to few battles where main is getting killed while others are trying to get in htting range. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Alorael at Large Posted August 8, 2011 Share Posted August 8, 2011 Nethergate is, interestingly, the only game in which you actually have a limit of five permanent party members. It's the only game that I can think of with five characters, in fact, except Final Fantasy IV. And one of those characters isn't one of your originals, either. If you can accept having characters without personalities in the tradition of pre-BG games, the Avernums (and their Exile forbears) are great party-based exploration and dungeon-crawl games. You explore most freely in A1 and A3, get more direction in A4-6, and get one of the best plots in Nethergate. Geneforge is more geared towards being solo. You only have one main character with a full set of stats and the ability to use equipment. In exchange for the loss of your party, you get the ability to create monsters and more choice-driven plots. —Alorael, who recommends downloading some demos and giving them a try. A1-3 share an engine. A4-6 share another engine. All the Geneforges have the same engine. Exile games are fairly different but hard to get running on newer operating systems. Blades of Exile and Avernum are fantastic if you like the chance to play (or make) user made scenarios. See what you like! The demos are quite representative of the games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast keira Posted August 8, 2011 Share Posted August 8, 2011 Also, Blades of Exile is free/GPLed, in case it hasn't been mentioned yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Earth Posted August 8, 2011 Share Posted August 8, 2011 oocasionally party members join on conversation on Avernums but its rare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Alorael at Large Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 Give an example? —Alorael, who is not a BoA designer. With that caveat, he doesn't think the scripts even support accessing party members as separate entities beyond aggregations of stats. Can names be pulled up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Nioca Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 Originally Posted By: Fractus animus ex machina Give an example? —Alorael, who is not a BoA designer. With that caveat, he doesn't think the scripts even support accessing party members as separate entities beyond aggregations of stats. Can names be pulled up? Yeah, and it's been done a few times (Niemand's new scenario, the Sorcerer's Apprentice, does this, as do a few others). It's limited, but the capability is there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Jerakeen Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 Yes, you can add character names to dialogs in BoA. This lets you have NPCs address them by name, or put words in the mouths of one party member or another. Like "Sally speaks up: _Hey Fitz, jumping off this cliff might not be such a good idea._" There's also a joinable NPC in Magus of Cattalon that you can converse with; it was very well done. I can't think of any examples from the Avernum games, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan Skwish-E Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 I think the Avernum 4-6 engine would be more to your liking than the 1-3 engine. For Avernum 1, wait for the rewrite if the demo puts you off a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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