Well-Actually War Trall Balladeer Posted August 4, 2011 Share Posted August 4, 2011 Well... the logic of trying to dig up the real reasons isn't working, so... 198. The Infinite and I - This referred to one of Alorael's PDNs, but I forget which 'Cause Alo has an infinite # of PDN's 201. Entailitory - Knee-jerk Protestant boots? This is what you get in your inheritance. A pair of boots. 202. AUTOEXEG.BAT - Presuppositions coming out the reverse, you might say presuppositions coming out the reverse would be like post-supositions, right? After I see this PDN, I assume someone doesn't know how to spell... or type. 203. 7 words blow 3 words. - Shift made in recognition of a forum logic puzzle Because there must be some form of logic behind the PDN even though I cannot decipher the puzzle. 212. Concometant - Titular crossroads To do with two titles existing at the same time? 216. Putrepope - Suffixes of death In reality, I can find no suffixes in any of these PDN's for death or words related to death but this pairing has not been guessed yet so... 219. Saropotence - Critique of Vague Reason Necropotence is a Magic: The gathering card that took away a life in exchange for an additional card. Can't find the meaning or reference of Saro, though... except that it can be something to do with an eclipse. I paired it with the critique because many people debated the usage of the first card. 225. Lists Across America!- Twiggypedia? You said she was only a guest or rather Twiggypedia is a guest on Lists Across America!? I've read up a little on Twiggy but I don't know what Lists Across America is referencing. There are a lot of *Something* Across America shows. 226. Wisteria Wall-Walker - Steinian cornucopia Wisteria can be a vine that walks up walls. I do not know which Stein this references but since wisteria is a flower and cornucopia's can have flowers in them... maybe. 229. Disambiguation Cage - Not part of the Meldrew curse Did they over explain things on "One Foot in the Grave"? 235. Pansupticon Ply - Canine leader References the Panopticon building where guards could watch the prisoners without them knowing it. Sup means less or under and ply means layer. When I think of Canine leader I think 'underdog' who has super powers and such. So the bad guys don't know that they are being observed since its just a dog. - I think I'm stretching it... many of them actually but none are really clicking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Triumph Posted August 4, 2011 Share Posted August 4, 2011 Not part of the Meldrew curse - through assiduous use of Google, I think I know what this comes from: a computer game (text-based adventure game, from what I can tell) named Curses. The unflinchingly reliable TV Tropes indicates the curse has to do with not finishing stuff. Unfortunately, I can't seem to find out any more about the game or the curse that would help out in this puzzle. Still, I'm rather proud of what I've discovered. I must guess "203. 7 words blow 3 words." goes with this clue, simply on the basis that it's a text-based adventure game. If that's not it, maybe this intel will help someone else scoop up the points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Slawbug Posted August 4, 2011 Author Share Posted August 4, 2011 ROWEN 203 - no TRIUMPH 219 - YES (+2) - -saro and -potence are both attached to "Necro" as suffixes: Necrosaro (as I hinted at in my Taloon boon example), the evolved version of Saro in DW4, and Necropotence in the infamous MtG card (from Ice Age, I think) that spawned numerous deck archetypes in the 90's. JEWELS 220 - no - I had to look this up. It is in FF6 Advance, apparently, but not classic FF6 TRIUMPH 225 - no JEWELS 198 - no 201 - no 202 - no 203 - no 212 - no 216 - no 219 - no - and argh you found Necropotence, so very close! 225 - YES (+2) - In an episode of Absolutely Fabulous, Edina attempts to convince Twiggy to remain her PR client by signing her up to lead a (fictional) American GLBT rights movement with the slogan "Fists Across America!" And Wikipedia is full of lists. Lists of lists. Even a list of lists of lists. *swoons* 226 - no 229 - no 235 - no TRIUMPH Meldrew curse - YES! The game was indeed called "Curses" and it was by Andrew Plotkin, who also created System's Twilight. Amazing, classic, seminal text adventure. Also I never finished it, so I guess the curse hit me. 203 - no. Clearly, these have ended up being very hard. I will need to find some way of giving further hints -- although I am a bit surprised that the hints I have given have not been applied in some (to me) fairly obvious ways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Slawbug Posted August 4, 2011 Author Share Posted August 4, 2011 Augmented Sholai, meet Augmented Clues: 1) If a PDN looks slightly different from a familiar thing, that slight change is not an accident and is probably key to figuring out what it means. For example, if an 8.3 filename is 1 letter off from what you are expecting, that 1 letter is not a random change and is the key to figuring out what is going on. What can you make of the filename? 3) In the PDNs, affixes are your friends! (Well, except maybe for the one with the suffixes of death) Breaking down long words will help. A lot. For example: * Con-comet-ant / concomitant (combine them, you've already looked them up) * Pan-sup-(t)-icon Ply / pan-opt-icon / sup-ply / ?????? * En-tail-itory / en-tail-ment / ?????? Originally Posted By: Slarty and I will hint that there are some word shifts going on à la Masticore Punk. 4) Kant is in here somewhere, yes, the most famous of his quotes, in fact, and so is Plotkin again, a poetically described attribute of his main building, in fact. 5) There's more than one way to parse a clue. Knee-jerk Protestant boots, I'm looking at you now. 6) A number of video game references remain at large. Including, I am afraid, one more Dragon Warrior 3 reference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Student of Trinity Posted August 4, 2011 Share Posted August 4, 2011 Curses was by Graham Nelson, not Plotkin. I remember playing it. It was a real old-school epic scale crawl. Never mind the insanely far-fetched puzzles whose solutions no sane person would ever stumble upon: it had entire major mechanics that no sane person would ever stumble upon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Randomizer Posted August 4, 2011 Share Posted August 4, 2011 202. AUTOEXEG.BAT - Shift made in recognition of a forum logic puzzle Originally Posted By: Slarty ) If a PDN looks slightly different from a familiar thing, that slight change is not an accident and is probably key to figuring out what it means. For example, if an 8.3 filename is 1 letter off from what you are expecting, that 1 letter is not a random change and is the key to figuring out what is going on. What can you make of the filename? It's suppose to be AUTOEXEC.BAT so C is now G Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Slawbug Posted August 4, 2011 Author Share Posted August 4, 2011 Lagach much? Hmm, you're right though. I wonder why I thought that was a Plotkin one? RANDOMIZER 202 - no - you're missing the forest for the G's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Balladeer Posted August 4, 2011 Share Posted August 4, 2011 201. Entailitory - Critique of Vague Reason Live your life as though your every act were to become a universal law. Immanuel Kant Because the laws will be totalitory and the rest of the world will inherit them. 202. AUTOEXEG.BAT - Knee-jerk Protestant boots? Automatic: Knee-jerk :: Exegesis: Protestant deciphering of texts:: bat : boots, the gothic kind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Balladeer Posted August 4, 2011 Share Posted August 4, 2011 216. Putrepope - Canine leader Putrepup is a Dragon Quest reference being a dog and the 'pope' their leader. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Balladeer Posted August 4, 2011 Share Posted August 4, 2011 212. Concometant - Doom In the event of a comet, doom would accompany it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Balladeer Posted August 4, 2011 Share Posted August 4, 2011 198. The Infinite and I - Not part of the Meldrew curse You can finish everything if you have infinity to work on it. 203. 7 words blow 3 words. - This referred to one of Alorael's PDNs, but I forget which This PDN makes no sense so it might be because the clue has been forgotten. 220. Cloudy Heavens - Presuppositions coming out the reverse, you might say assuming the heavens are cloudy? 226. Wisteria Wall-Walker - Shift made in recognition of a forum logic puzzle The shift here is actually the capital "W" to honor the logic puzzle that obviously started with that letter. >.> 229. Disambiguation Cage - Titular crossroads I would say that trying to explain all these PDN's with their crossword like clues is a cage of slarty's design. 235. Pansupicon Ply - Steinian cornucopia supply and cornucopia go together I suppose. I still don't know which stein is referenced here though. And I'm going to bed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Slawbug Posted August 4, 2011 Author Share Posted August 4, 2011 JEWELS 201 - no 202 - YES (+2) - I can't believe no one connected AUTOEXEC.BAT with booting up a computer. It's knee-jerk because it's executed AUTOmatically on bootup, or because that's how EXEGESIS is sometimes practiced. That's what I meant about parsing: everyone assumed "boots" was a noun, but it was in fact a verb. 216 - YES (+3) 212 - YES (+3) - comets are often interpreted as omens of doom 198 - no 203 - YES (+2) - Just jogged my memory: I believed it referred to a sentence made out of 2 consecutive PDN's of Alorael's, where if you inserted "blow" in after the 7th word, it became... well, more interesting. 220 - no 226 - no 229 - YES (+2) - Sad that nobody got this given how quickly people connected the PDN to Wikipedia. What *is* a Disambiguation Page? Why, it's the crossroads of all the page titles that could have identical redirects! 235 - YES (+2) - You can make "supply" and "panoply" out of the PDN, among other things. The words have some prosodic value and some implied meaning from their parts but are not regular words, much like Gertrude Stein used. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Triumph Posted August 4, 2011 Share Posted August 4, 2011 Alas, the clues just aren't doing it for me...maybe I should have used more canisters? 201. Entailitory - Not part of the Meldrew curse? Since the game apparently involves a long family line, there could be inheritance stuff involved. 198. The Infinite and I - This referred to one of Alorael's PDNs, but I forget which. The main the reason I'm guessing at these two is that they both invoke the first-person pronoun. 226. Wisteria Wall-Walker - I think this must be the Plotkin building reference you mentioned above. I just don't know clue goes with it. Perhaps - Presuppositions coming out the reverse, you might say? 220. Cloudy Heavens - Shift made in recognition of a forum logic puzzle. There have been multiple references to the bow in the clouds (and in the clods); perhaps this is a shift to a cloudy sky? 203. 7 words blow 3 words. - Critique of Vague Reason. That leave this pairing. Certainly it's a very vague PDN. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Rowen Posted August 4, 2011 Share Posted August 4, 2011 198. The Infinite and I - Shift made in recognition of a forum logic puzzle Its puzzling to me how we get this one wrong an infinite amount of times. Very philosophical too, reminds me of something I studied in my Phil 101 class. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan Skwish-E Posted August 4, 2011 Share Posted August 4, 2011 201 - Presuppositions coming out the reverse, you might say Sorry, but Tail and Out the reverse just go together, don't they? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Slawbug Posted August 5, 2011 Author Share Posted August 5, 2011 TRIUMPH No x5, I'm afraid. ROWEN 198 - YES (+2) - this PDN was a shift from the previous one ("The Impossible and I") in reference to a series of logic puzzles on the boards, some of which involved the use of infinities. SKWISH-E 201 - YES (+2) - This one mishmashed "entailment" with "suppository." I will refrain from explaining any more details. Here are the final answers: 220. Cloudy Heavens -- Critique of Vague Reason I will offer a point or two for the best explanation of the connection on that one. 226. Wisteria Wall-Walker -- Not part of the Meldrew curse There was a memorable line about "Wisteria climbs the fire escape, and so might you" in Curses. That was all. Okay, probably not my best clue ever. Tomorrow afternoon I'll award points for 220, post score updates and (hopefully) post the next round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Triumph Posted August 5, 2011 Share Posted August 5, 2011 220. Cloudy Heavens -- Critique of Vague Reason This must be the reference to Immanuel Kant, and his works Critique of Pure Reason and Critique of Practical Reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Balladeer Posted August 5, 2011 Share Posted August 5, 2011 Quote: Two things fill the mind with ever new and increasing wonder and awe -- the starry heavens above me and the moral law within me. - Immanuel Kant When the heavens are starry Kant can see clearly for pure reason. When the heavens are cloudy than his reasons are more vague. Clouded judgment, as it were. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Triumph Posted August 5, 2011 Share Posted August 5, 2011 The quote Jewels posted seems to be from Kant's Critique of Practical Reason, strengthening the likelihood that that is the referent of the clue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Slawbug Posted August 5, 2011 Author Share Posted August 5, 2011 JEWELS - (+2) - you got it next round will have to wait until tomorrow: I am wiped Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Dintiradan Posted August 5, 2011 Share Posted August 5, 2011 Man, I can't wait until we're done with Slarty's PDNs and can start with Alorael's! EDIT: Hey, take a look at the list of moderators at the bottom of the page. Are the mods cloning themselves to deal with demand? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Slawbug Posted August 5, 2011 Author Share Posted August 5, 2011 That is one of the things that broke when half the blues turned green. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Slawbug Posted August 5, 2011 Author Share Posted August 5, 2011 A NEW CHALLENGER APPROACHES! JUSTICE POINTS +2 Nikki +1 Dantius +1 Rowen +1 Nioca TOTAL NEW POINTS +26 Jewels +25 Triumph +16 Dikiyoba +15 Dintiradan +8 Randomizer +7 Nioca +4 Dantius +3 Rowen +2 Skwish-E +2 Nikki SCORES AFTER PART 5 87 Triumph 57 Dikiyoba 42 Jewels 36 Dantius 35 Dintiradan 21 Sarachim 20 Randomizer 11 Nikki 10 Rowen 08 Nioca 08 Skwish-E 04 Niemand 03 Darth Ernie 01 The Ratt 01 Excalibur Point values will continue to inflate and there will be a Final Slartordyesque mechanic at the end: so I should say that your goal is not to beat everyone else, but to reach at least 50% of the top score. Round 6 (of 7) will happen tomorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Triumph Posted August 5, 2011 Share Posted August 5, 2011 I suggest that as point values inflate, you need to stop giving "justice points" and start giving "great justice points." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Balladeer Posted August 5, 2011 Share Posted August 5, 2011 If referencing me I doubt I will be much of a 'challenge' to stay ahead of... Triumph still has over twice as many points as me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Rowen Posted August 5, 2011 Share Posted August 5, 2011 Looks like I need to answer all the next quizzes right if I want to get ahead of Triumph. But that would also mean that I don't show up late for the start of the quiz like I normally do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk nikki. Posted August 5, 2011 Share Posted August 5, 2011 Hey, I'm exactly in the middle. I suppose I should attempt to answer these, instead of just giving half-right answers for others to finish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Dantius Posted August 5, 2011 Share Posted August 5, 2011 Originally Posted By: Triumph I suggest that as point values inflate, you need to stop giving "justice points" and start giving "great justice points." He could also stop giving justice points and start giving vengeance points, if he'd like to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Slawbug Posted August 5, 2011 Author Share Posted August 5, 2011 Ooh, I like that idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Balladeer Posted August 5, 2011 Share Posted August 5, 2011 Would that mean negative points for blatantly blind guesses?? But those are my favorite kind of guesses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Slawbug Posted August 5, 2011 Author Share Posted August 5, 2011 No, no. I'm thinking more that particularly elegant comments and guesses by players with lower scores would allow them to steal points from the players in the lead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Triumph Posted August 5, 2011 Share Posted August 5, 2011 LOL. I am amused by the way the rules of this game keep changing. It reminds me of Calvinball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Dantius Posted August 5, 2011 Share Posted August 5, 2011 Originally Posted By: HOUSE of S No, no. I'm thinking more that particularly elegant comments and guesses by players with lower scores would allow them to steal points from the players in the lead. But would your eyes turn blue and cracks open in your skin when you did this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Balladeer Posted August 5, 2011 Share Posted August 5, 2011 Define 'players in the lead'. Just Triumph, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Hatchling Cockatrice Randomizer Posted August 6, 2011 Share Posted August 6, 2011 I marvel at how this is turning out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Dantius Posted August 6, 2011 Share Posted August 6, 2011 Originally Posted By: Randomizer I marvel at how this is turning out. One star for that alone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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