Burgeoning Battle Gamma Masquerade Posted August 18, 2010 Share Posted August 18, 2010 My art homework is incomplete and over due, i have exams to study for and there's an essay to do tomorrow. Yet i am still sitting here playing Avernum, ive got to sort out my priorities. But seriously i just bought Avernum 6 and man am i hooked! i played the original trilogy and loved it but number 4 let me down, but good old Jeff's restored my faith with all this plot-based turn-taking isometric goodness, i just can't stop playing! Even at school there is no escape, i spent my entire religion period drawing a picture of my Nethergate/Avernum warrior character and then wrote his life story in my head, i named him Lauchlan. the armor turned out well, but he looks as if somebody dislocated all his limbs and he is now doped up on skribane, and i forgot to draw the sword blade, meh all things concidered that was one of the most productive religion periods I've had all week. does anybody else invent complicated life stories for their characters or is it just me? The Avernum games are just so well-written and lyrical it sort of compells me to give all my own characters a story so that they'll fit in. Its probibly a bit obsessive-compulsive of me but its only written in my head, so nobody else is subjected to it. ah well, homework can always be done on the bus, Me, Lauchlan and co have got to go save Avernum! EDIT: doh! i accidently posted this on the wrong board, way to make my grand entrance into the spiderweb forums huh? Could some kind mod please put this on the Avernum 6 board, sorry for the mix-up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curious Artila Heindrich1988 Posted August 18, 2010 Share Posted August 18, 2010 lol... u maybe talking about Avernum 6, but it cud be relevant for any decent game of this kind. To answer your question, I think people seek different things from games. Some people I know are obsessed with maximising performance in games, or 'beating the game'. Others play for simple pleasure, though I think that's difficult for a game lacking in graphics like Avernum. I think for me and you, the motivation is more in the escapism, to create a story as you play. I've kinda based my party on myself and a few friends, and given them roles and skills that I think suit their characters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody Locmaar Posted August 19, 2010 Share Posted August 19, 2010 Originally Posted By: Heindrich1988 ... Others play for simple pleasure, though I think that's difficult for a game lacking in graphics like Avernum. If your copy is lacking graphics, try downloading a new copy and reinstall. BTW - I used to play Pong or Pac-Man for pleasure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Dantius Posted August 19, 2010 Share Posted August 19, 2010 Originally Posted By: Locmaar Originally Posted By: Heindrich1988 ... Others play for simple pleasure, though I think that's difficult for a game lacking in graphics like Avernum. If your copy is lacking graphics, try downloading a new copy and reinstall. Lacking in graphics != Missing in graphics. For instance, this post is lacking in words, but it's not lacking words. Originally Posted By: Locmaar BTW - I used to play Pong or Pac-Man for pleasure. Yeah, my favorite game ever is Rogue, so it's not like graphics are very important to me. That said, the graphics in some of these newer games are pretty impressive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk So Much Killing Posted August 20, 2010 Share Posted August 20, 2010 My characters are meat to do my bidding. They live and die only to serve me. They have no personalities, let alone life stories. Their only personal characteristic of which I take note is incompetence, a trait for which I berate them regularly. They are the tools with which I attain dominion over all I survey. They are my slaves, and when they die, I do not shed a tear. Still, I love them in my own special way. Especially when they inflict massive damage on my enemies without making me waste my time tending to their stupid wounds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgeoning Battle Gamma Masquerade Posted August 20, 2010 Author Share Posted August 20, 2010 Pfft! you slave driver, keep working them like that and they might catch a serious case of the deadness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curious Artila Heindrich1988 Posted August 20, 2010 Share Posted August 20, 2010 It is easier to enjoy a game with flashy graphics than one without, hence it's a simpler pleasure. It's like the difference between reading a good novel and watching TV. The latter you can enjoy with little effort, the former you will find more rewarding and immersive. Avernum is like a good book. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curious Artila Heindrich1988 Posted August 20, 2010 Share Posted August 20, 2010 U disgust me man. Those poor people/slith/nephils have feelings too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody Locmaar Posted August 20, 2010 Share Posted August 20, 2010 Originally Posted By: Dantius Originally Posted By: Locmaar Originally Posted By: Heindrich1988 ... Others play for simple pleasure, though I think that's difficult for a game lacking in graphics like Avernum. If your copy is lacking graphics, try downloading a new copy and reinstall. Lacking in graphics != Missing in graphics. For instance, this post is lacking in words, but it's not lacking words. Originally Posted By: Locmaar BTW - I used to play Pong or Pac-Man for pleasure. Yeah, my favorite game ever is Rogue, so it's not like graphics are very important to me. That said, the graphics in some of these newer games are pretty impressive. Gee, my bad, thanks for explaining. Note to self: Stop posting humorous remarks without using emoticons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Triumph Posted August 20, 2010 Share Posted August 20, 2010 Locmaar, this is random, but what language is the statement in your signature, and what does it mean? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Dantius Posted August 20, 2010 Share Posted August 20, 2010 Originally Posted By: Triumph Locmaar, this is random, but what language is the statement in your signature, and what does it mean? Google says it's elvish, and a quote from Galadriel. I don't speak fake languages, though, so the best I can get is a random website's translation: Quote: The world is changed, I feel it in the water, I feel it in the earth, and I smell it in the air. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Earth Posted August 20, 2010 Share Posted August 20, 2010 Galadriel I amar prestar aen, han mathon ne nen, han mathon ne chae a han noston ned 'wilith . Ee AH-mar PREH-star ine, hahn MAH-thon neh nen, hahn MAH-thon neh high ah hahn NOST-on nehd wee-leeth. The world is changed, I feel it in the water, I feel it in the earth, and I smell it in the air. http://www.arwen-undomiel.com/elvish/ttt.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody Locmaar Posted August 20, 2010 Share Posted August 20, 2010 Originally Posted By: Triumph Locmaar, this is random, but what language is the statement in your signature, and what does it mean? It's the opening of the movie 'The Fellowship of the Ring'. The words are originally Treebeard's from the book 'The Return of the King' and have been translated to Elvish by a scholar of the 'fake' language. His name escapes me at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Dantius Posted August 20, 2010 Share Posted August 20, 2010 Originally Posted By: Locmaar Originally Posted By: Triumph Locmaar, this is random, but what language is the statement in your signature, and what does it mean? It's the opening of the movie 'The Fellowship of the Ring'. The words are originally Treebeard's from the book 'The Return of the King' and have been translated to Elvish by a scholar of the 'fake' language. His name escapes me at the moment. No, no. It's a fake language. There are quite empathetically no quotation marks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody Locmaar Posted August 20, 2010 Share Posted August 20, 2010 It's been made up - nobody ever denied this. How is it fake? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Dantius Posted August 20, 2010 Share Posted August 20, 2010 Originally Posted By: Locmaar It's been made up - nobody ever denied this. How is it fake? It's a synonym? Artificial, fake, counterfeit, etc. It didn't evolve through normal linguistic patterns, so it's fake. There are lots of other fake languages, too- Esperanto for example. Just because people speak it and write it doesn't mean it's not fake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan Txgangsta Posted August 20, 2010 Share Posted August 20, 2010 I think the point hes getting at is that it is a language. If you speak it, someone will understand it, and can respond so you can understand it. That makes it a real language, and whether its been developed naturally or not is irrelevant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody Locmaar Posted August 20, 2010 Share Posted August 20, 2010 Sorry - when I read fake, I think of deceit. Hence the quotation marks. If this is not what you've implied... just think them away. When you speak of 'normal linguistic patterns' by which languages evolve - what exactly do you mean? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Dantius Posted August 20, 2010 Share Posted August 20, 2010 Originally Posted By: Locmaar When you speak of 'normal linguistic patterns' by which languages evolve - what exactly do you mean? I'll use a tautology here and say that the patters by which languages evolve are the patters how languages evolved- French and Italian and Spanish are descendants of Latin, etc. Like this, for example. Languages evolve just like species, with common ancestors and all. There's whole fields of study on it- historical/comparative linguists, I think it's called. Elvish, on the other hand, was created as opposed to evolving, so it's like a Frankenstein's Monster of linguists, because you can't make sense of it. But you're really asking the wrong person about this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Lilith Posted August 20, 2010 Share Posted August 20, 2010 really it would have been better to put the scare quotes around "scholar" rather than "fake" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Lilith Posted August 20, 2010 Share Posted August 20, 2010 also d-dawg you meant "emphatically" not "empathetically" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Dantius Posted August 20, 2010 Share Posted August 20, 2010 Originally Posted By: Lilith also d-dawg you meant "emphatically" not "empathetically" Hm, that's odd. Chrome usually catches things like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Lilith Posted August 20, 2010 Share Posted August 20, 2010 "empathetically" is also a real word, it means "with empathy" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Lilith Posted August 20, 2010 Share Posted August 20, 2010 whereas what you meant was "with emphasis" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Dantius Posted August 20, 2010 Share Posted August 20, 2010 Originally Posted By: Lilith "empathetically" is also a real word, it means "with empathy" Hm, so it was my fault. I hate it when that happens. Oh well, at least I learned a new word today! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Randomizer Posted August 21, 2010 Share Posted August 21, 2010 J.R.R. Tolkien created an artificially evolved language where his Elvish had a primitive form, Quenya (High Elvish), Sindarin (Common Elvish), and wild or woods Elvish for those elves that didn't go west. The information can be seen in the footnotes and appendices if you really want to see the relationships between root words and the forms in the different languages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk So Much Killing Posted August 21, 2010 Share Posted August 21, 2010 I believe we can declare Masquerade's thread officially hijacked. I mean that both emphatically and empathetically (though Firefox doesn't like "empathetically" -- stupid Firefox). Hey, how about that Obama guy? Is he the president, or what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Dantius Posted August 21, 2010 Share Posted August 21, 2010 Originally Posted By: Randomizer J.R.R. Tolkien created an artificially evolved language where his Elvish had a primitive form, Quenya (High Elvish), Sindarin (Common Elvish), and wild or woods Elvish for those elves that didn't go west. The information can be seen in the footnotes and appendices if you really want to see the relationships between root words and the forms in the different languages. Yes, but that still doesn't mean that it evolved from a human language in the real world. So my point stands. Although that does mean that Tolkien was fanatically meticulous in his creation of the language, to the point where it's actually kind of bizarre. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Drayk Armitage Posted August 21, 2010 Share Posted August 21, 2010 Originally Posted By: Dantius Originally Posted By: Locmaar When you speak of 'normal linguistic patterns' by which languages evolve - what exactly do you mean? I'll use a tautology here and say that the patters by which languages evolve are the patters how languages evolved- French and Italian and Spanish are descendants of Latin, etc. Like this, for example. Languages evolve just like species, with common ancestors and all. There's whole fields of study on it- historical/comparative linguists, I think it's called. Elvish, on the other hand, was created as opposed to evolving, so it's like a Frankenstein's Monster of linguists, because you can't make sense of it. But you're really asking the wrong person about this. Yeah, you're right on just about all accounts. Historical linguistics deals with the evolution of languages and language structures. The Elvish languages are constructed languages and not natural languages. They were closely modeled on natural languages. Similarly, they did not actually evolve over time by means of a mass of speakers, but their constructed evolution was closely modeled on natural language evolution. The two counts you are wrong on is 1) that "you can't make sense of" a conlang. Far from it -- conlangs are typically simpler than natural languages and easier to make sense of, especially when (as in Tolkien's case) there are copious notes available. Of course, his languages weren't quite complete either, but single-creator conlangs tend not to be. A whole language is a massive endeavor. 2) Languages do not evolve "just like" species. There are some strong similarities, such as the existence of common ancestors. But languages do not reproduce (certainly not sexually), and natural selection does not operate even remotely in the same way for them. Natural selection applies in a certain sense to specific elements of a language, but the criteria that determine what is selected for vary according to factors that lean heavily on other aspects of the language in question, and not at all on the environment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Dantius Posted August 21, 2010 Share Posted August 21, 2010 Originally Posted By: CRISIS on INFINITE SLARTIES Yeah, you're right on just about all accounts. Yay! Originally Posted By: CRISIS on INFINITE SLARTIES 2) Languages do not evolve "just like" species. There are some strong similarities, such as the existence of common ancestors. But languages do not reproduce (certainly not sexually), and natural selection does not operate even remotely in the same way for them. Natural selection applies in a certain sense to specific elements of a language, but the criteria that determine what is selected for vary according to factors that lean heavily on other aspects of the language in question, and not at all on the environment. Well, there's common ancestors, extinctions (like Latin), enviromental factors (which nations speak which languages), language barriers, spread by conquest, mutation, natural selection, etc. So it's certainly very similar to evolution, even though languages aren't alive or have genes or anything like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Lilith Posted August 21, 2010 Share Posted August 21, 2010 plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose the more things change, the more they keep being memes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgeoning Battle Gamma Masquerade Posted August 21, 2010 Author Share Posted August 21, 2010 umm people? i am still here ya know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgeoning Battle Gamma Masquerade Posted August 21, 2010 Author Share Posted August 21, 2010 Originally Posted By: So Much Killing I believe we can declare Masquerade's thread officially hijacked. I mean that both emphatically and empathetically (though Firefox doesn't like "empathetically" -- stupid Firefox). Hey, how about that Obama guy? Is he the president, or what? Tell me about it, i just logged on and BAM! darn you tolken! So have you Americans heard about the whole Julia Gillard thing? its pretty big here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Drayk Armitage Posted August 21, 2010 Share Posted August 21, 2010 You can paint a picture that makes it look, on the surface, like language evolution is very similar to species evolution. The truth remains that for the most part, it is not very similar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Dantius Posted August 21, 2010 Share Posted August 21, 2010 Originally Posted By: Masquerade Tell me about it, i just logged on and BAM! darn you tolken! So have you Americans heard about the whole Julia Gillard thing? its pretty big here. Nah, the only news from abroad that I'm following intently is the Pope's visit to Britain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgeoning Battle Gamma Masquerade Posted August 21, 2010 Author Share Posted August 21, 2010 The pope is visiting Britan? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Dantius Posted August 21, 2010 Share Posted August 21, 2010 Originally Posted By: Masquerade The pope is visiting Britan? He will come to Britain soon. There's an internet protest on the fact that the UK government will foot the bill for what is essentially a religious visit, which violates... something (does Britain have an establishment clause?). Like all internet petitions, it will do nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgeoning Battle Gamma Masquerade Posted August 21, 2010 Author Share Posted August 21, 2010 Pfft, tell me about it. If you're going to write a petition at least do it in real life, even then chances are that people will ignore it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Lilith Posted August 21, 2010 Share Posted August 21, 2010 Originally Posted By: Masquerade So have you Americans heard about the whole Julia Gillard thing? its pretty big here. i voted below the line in the senate just so i could put stephen conroy last Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Lilith Posted August 21, 2010 Share Posted August 21, 2010 Originally Posted By: Dantius (does Britain have an establishment clause?) hahaha no, the Queen is the head of the Church of England Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Alorael at Large Posted August 21, 2010 Share Posted August 21, 2010 Originally Posted By: Dantius Well, there's common ancestors, extinctions (like Latin), enviromental factors (which nations speak which languages), language barriers, spread by conquest, mutation, natural selection, etc. So it's certainly very similar to evolution, even though languages aren't alive or have genes or anything like that. There's not really natural selection in any way even remotely analogous to species. —Alorael, who on the other hand can now proudly point to the success of English as hybrid vigor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgeoning Battle Gamma Masquerade Posted August 22, 2010 Author Share Posted August 22, 2010 Originally Posted By: Lilith Originally Posted By: Dantius (does Britain have an establishment clause?) hahaha no, the Queen is the head of the Church of England I still find it hillarious that we Aussies can have a political coup and all you yanks care about is the popes airfare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk So Much Killing Posted August 23, 2010 Share Posted August 23, 2010 Originally Posted By: Masquerade I still find it hillarious that we Aussies can have a political coup and all you yanks care about is the popes airfare. Our news media only report things that reinforce their viewers' preconceived notions about things. Since Americans have no notions of Aussie politics, the media don't report on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Dantius Posted August 23, 2010 Share Posted August 23, 2010 Originally Posted By: So Much Killing Originally Posted By: Masquerade I still find it hillarious that we Aussies can have a political coup and all you yanks care about is the popes airfare. Our news media only report things that reinforce their viewers' preconceived notions about things. Since Americans have no notions of Aussie politics, the media don't report on it. Bah, of course Americans know what we're talking about in Austrian politics. We follow multiple news outlets from Vienna! Let it never be said that we don't know what we're talking about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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