Ineffable Wingbolt Spddin Ignis Posted May 9, 2009 Share Posted May 9, 2009 Which side do you think the sholai want to win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Randomizer Posted May 9, 2009 Share Posted May 9, 2009 Their side. The Sholai want trade so they will take any side that gives them peace and a stable trading partner. This is why you see one in GF5 trapped in Harai-Kel. She made a wrong turn in Eastern Terrestia. Click to reveal.. However they are still looking in GF3 for what happened to their missing expedition that got trapped on Sucia Island in GF1. The Shapers in Donal Keep said that they never heard of them reaching Shaping Lands. The coverup continues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt Spddin Ignis Posted May 9, 2009 Author Share Posted May 9, 2009 The sholai girl in hariakel knows what happened on sucia...she was there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unflappable Drayk Sleeping Dragon Posted May 9, 2009 Share Posted May 9, 2009 I'm surprised they weren't more present in the last few games. They could have made a killing selling goods to both sides. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt Spddin Ignis Posted May 9, 2009 Author Share Posted May 9, 2009 who thinks that the drakons will actually trade with the sholai if they win the war...not me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Acky Posted May 9, 2009 Share Posted May 9, 2009 Quote: The sholai girl in hariakel knows what happened on sucia...she was there Same name, but its not the same person. The Last Archon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt Spddin Ignis Posted May 9, 2009 Author Share Posted May 9, 2009 are you sure...im pretty sure it is the same person. Remember it has only been 15 years since sucia. Remember the shapers made peace with her and the other sholai that weren't loyal to tracov Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Dikiyoba Posted May 9, 2009 Share Posted May 9, 2009 Originally Posted By: Shaper Spddin Remember the shapers made peace with her and the other sholai that weren't loyal to tracov That ending is not canon. All the Sholai who landed on Sucia Island were apparently killed by the Shapers sent to the island after the PC escaped and warned the council. Dikiyoba. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt Spddin Ignis Posted May 9, 2009 Author Share Posted May 9, 2009 no, im pretty sure that masha and her group were spared Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Acky Posted May 9, 2009 Share Posted May 9, 2009 If they were spared, than the Shapers and the Sholai would be trading with each other. In G3, we are told that the Sholai have never visited Shaper lands save the emmesiery that was in Dhonal's Keep. Really, she was just named Masha just to mirror G1. To be clever. The Last Archon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt Spddin Ignis Posted May 9, 2009 Author Share Posted May 9, 2009 possibly, i guess only jeff would know for sure. But masha in G5 says they will trade with the winner of the war so i think there were all ready plans to trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Alorael at Large Posted May 9, 2009 Share Posted May 9, 2009 Of course they have plans to trade. The whole point of the emissary is to set up trade! But the Sholai are pragmatists and Masha is willing to be candid about the fact that they will happily trade with whoever comes out on top. Originally Posted By: Shaper Spddin Remember it has only been 15 years since sucia. Really? I got the sense that it has been substantially longer. This thread puts it in the 50-80 year range. —Alorael, who would conclude that anyone who could remember G1 is therefore either very old or quite dead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt Spddin Ignis Posted May 9, 2009 Author Share Posted May 9, 2009 there maybe conflicting info in the game..in G3 they say that it has been 7 years since the sholai landed on sucia. I beleive G5 says that the war has been going on for 9 years. add that up... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Alorael at Large Posted May 9, 2009 Share Posted May 9, 2009 Where in the games are you getting those numbers? —Alorael, who can probably buy the second number, depending on when the war proper is considered to begin rather than the preliminary skirmishes and uprisings. He's curious about that G3 number, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Dikiyoba Posted May 9, 2009 Share Posted May 9, 2009 Well, I'll be darned. I was relying on what the Sholai in G3 said (basically, that he was told that the other Sholai expedition had never reached Shaper lands, a lie that would be very hard to maintain if some of the Sholai from the first expedition were still alive). But G2 says "Some people were taken off [sucia Island]." and "A small number of [sholai] have come to meet the Shaper Council." So it is possible some of the non-canister using Sholai survived. There's no real indication of what happened to them, though. All Dikiyoba can say is that whatever happened to them, it must have been infuriatingly vague. And probably involved the second continent somehow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unflappable Drayk Sleeping Dragon Posted May 9, 2009 Share Posted May 9, 2009 Originally Posted By: Shaper Spddin who thinks that the drakons will actually trade with the sholai if they win the war...not me The drakons only appear very hostile because they hate the Shapers and the Shapers control everything, thus they appear hostile towards everything. If there were another faction involved that didn't believe all drakons should be wiped off the face of the world, they would probably be much more open to relations. Like in Geneforge 2, when they traded openly with Barzahl and the Awakened before the Vale became too small for four very ideologically different factions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Cthulhu Posted May 9, 2009 Share Posted May 9, 2009 Shapers don't control everything. The Drakons are only openly hostile towards the various factions and splinter factions that believe that they themselves need to be wiped out, and the others believeing all creations must be destroyed. They're just acting in self preservation, which is why they allied with the various rebellous humans and creations. They would be more than happy to trade with the Sholai if they won the war, as the Sholai show no intentions of striking at them, and just wish to profit off a war. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Men are from Slars Posted May 9, 2009 Share Posted May 9, 2009 I thought I remembered that and was about to ask. Thanks for digging that up, Diki. The 7 years number is made up. G3 definitely doesn't say that. Originally Posted By: Sleeping Dragon If there were another faction involved that didn't believe all drakons should be wiped off the face of the world, they would probably be much more open to relations. Except that there have been other factions that believe that. They didn't trade openly with Barzahl or the Awakened during G2, only prior to it. During G2, they want you to destroy Barzahl and the Awakened. The drakons kill Trakovites on sight in G4, even though they don't want to wipe any drakons off the face of the world. Similarly, though they obviously prefer her to Alwan and Taygen, the drakons are happy to destroy Astoria and her faction in G5. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt Spddin Ignis Posted May 9, 2009 Author Share Posted May 9, 2009 talk to the sholai in dhonalds keep, i might be wrong but i think it says something along the lines of 7 or 8 years..ill go check. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt Spddin Ignis Posted May 9, 2009 Author Share Posted May 9, 2009 i checked and i waz wrong.... i guess that number just materailized in my head. but i dont think that it has been more than 20 years from g1 to g3 though. I say this because G1 to G2 was 7 years (i know this for sure..zachary says this.) And litalia destroyed mebab and the other servile cities according to her. I dont thin that litalia is that old so maybe litalia atacked the school 10-15 years after she had ran away from the shapers to work with ghaldrin. so by G5 it would have been close to 30 years since sucia...but of course i could be wrong (again). [drops head and walks away] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Men are from Slars Posted May 10, 2009 Share Posted May 10, 2009 Zachary doesn't say that. He says how long it's been since he and Barzahl were on Sucia. That's not *quite* the same thing as G1, though it's likely within a year of it. There was an exhaustive analysis of this done in another topic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Dikiyoba Posted May 10, 2009 Share Posted May 10, 2009 Originally Posted By: Shaper Spddin (i know this for sure..zachary says this.) Um, where? Direct quote please, because Dikiyoba can't find it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt Spddin Ignis Posted May 10, 2009 Author Share Posted May 10, 2009 i dont have g2 anymore... ask him about him and brazhal at the begining of the game and he give youa bit of backround info. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt Spddin Ignis Posted May 10, 2009 Author Share Posted May 10, 2009 actually, it might be after you've found out about mebab.i dont remember..but im sure he says it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall A less presumptuous name. Posted May 10, 2009 Share Posted May 10, 2009 He does say about how long ago he and Barzhal (sp) were sent to Sucia. However, if you look in the most wonderful timeline that Alorael posted a link to, you can see that some time passed between Geneforge 1 and the cleanup by Zachary and Barzhal. Personally, I like the theory of: Jeff can't always keep things straight. It's a game, not a historical reference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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