Killing innocent people

[DweezelManSam]

Is there anything wrong with killing innocent people (other than obvious moral issues)? I dont do it for pleasure, I do it because I want thier stuff. So far I've wiped out Mrrah's camp (on the way to Fort Draco, and Hamer the healer (near Fort Draco). Well ok, I admit it was kind of fun. But did I mess up my game by doing this? No one seems to be mad at me but mabye one of them would give me a quest later in the game. Also, neither of them had anything that valuable.

[Lilith]

Don't kill the mage at the portal in Fort Avernum. You need him for something much later in the game.

 

Apart from that, you're probably okay as long as you talk to everyone in town before you start committing murder. You may miss out on a couple of quests, but nothing that'll prevent you from completing the game.

[Nioca]

So far, you have not really affected the game in any way.

[Dikiyoba]

Besides the portal mage (which is here ), you can't kill the king and live (well, actually, it's theoretically possible). Also, save in multiple files so you won't be too screwed if something does come up.

 

Dikiyoba.

[Dintiradan]

As far as I can recall, the only vital quest givers in the game other than the mage at Fort Avernum dwell in the Castle. Rone's involved in the same quest that Vidrain is. His assistant also gives out a series of major quests (they may not be vital to finishing the game, though). The two main NPCs in the Abyss can make your life a little easier, but it's still possible to finish the game if you kill both before you finish their quests.

 

One more thing: don't kill trainers. I almost killed Starcap in Almaria.

 

EDIT: See Thuryl's post below.

 

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Stiff, unappealing. You ain't got it, kid.

- Jerry Tokovsky to Harrison Ford, 1965

[Lilith]

Wouldn't killing people in Formello or Fort Emerald before the barriers are taken down mess up your game too?

[Alorael at Large]

It's generally a bad idea to kill anyone in an area you haven't cleared thoroughly yet. It's also not a great idea to kill anyone in an area you think you'll return to, like the Castle or Fort Avernum. Beyond that, rampaging through Avernum is really okay.

 

—Alorael, who doesn't even think there are any terribly essential things you miss by killing everyone before you can finish quests. The best loot is all found, not received.

[Randomizer]

You miss out on experience by killing innocents before they give the quest reward. After that you get extra experience and treasure for killing them.

 

Avernum is not like Nethergate where they know what you are doing.

[Upon Mars.]

What do you mean? people aren't innocent or bad they just survive : Pain and suffering is the price of living because life is change and imperfection so why do you think that killing innocent people is bad?

Families and friends do suffer because of that and it's our duty to make them move on to live. You can stop the mad-mans but you can't end suffering you can only ease suffering from others.

And cure the ill minded freaks in some cases.

But do what you may and kill the peasants!!!!

[Ephesos]

You know, you almost had me until,

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But do what you may and kill the peasants!!!!

...and then I realized that what you said made very little sense.

 

So... yeah. Personally, I'm not one for killing bystanders (alleged innocence aside). I've never incited a town against me, never randomly sacked a village, and I try my level best to avoid unnecessary bloodshed (like Thorius Goodman's quest).

 

Of course, if someone tries to attack me, they're going down.

[Dikiyoba]

This is the fundamental difference between the Avernum and Geneforge Series. In Avernum, Dikiyoba kills only the bad guys. In Geneforge, Dikiyoba frequently kills everyone.

[Dintiradan]

By Eph:

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Of course, if someone tries to attack me, they're going down.

Yes, that's Standard Adventurer Response. In fact, that's what my D&D group fell prey to two sessions ago (I was in the midst of Crunch Time, so I couldn't intervene). Suffice to say that killing the only source of information about a curse that's been placed on you is a Bad Idea.

 

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Immaculate Reception: The fact that Joseph and Mary could throw a welcoming party in Bethlehem for the Three Wise Men despite having no caterer.

[Alorael at Large]

I'm far more murderiferous in Geneforge. I figure most of them are part of evil factions that must be purged anyway. Besides, shapers don't do warm and fluffy. They do conquest by the sword, tooth, claw, baton, and fireball.

 

—Alorael, who wonders if the American government is made up of adventurers. It would explain a few things.

[Lilith]

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I'm far more murderiferous in Geneforge. I figure most of them are part of evil factions that must be purged anyway. Besides, shapers don't do warm and fluffy. They do conquest by the sword, tooth, claw, baton, and fireball.

Also, a surprising number of major characters in Geneforge (especially G4) drop useful items when killed. I wonder if this has anything to do with your behaviour.

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—Alorael, who wonders if the American government is made up of adventurers. It would explain a few things.

Well, they have been known to engage in adventurism.

[Alorael at Large]

So, is adventure capitalism getting very rich by finding someone who's likely to take money now and turn it into more money in the future, breaking into their home, and taking everything not nailed down?

 

—Alorael, who at least understands Cheney. It was moving, so it had to be shot. Very simple, really.

[Nioca]

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Originally written by Wrex:
So, is adventure capitalism getting very rich by finding someone who's likely to take money now and turn it into more money in the future, breaking into their home, and taking everything not nailed down?

No, it's lobbying powerful adventurers to find someone who's likely to take money now and turn it into more money in the future, break into their home, and take everything not nailed down. Doing it yourself is being an adventurer entrepreneur.

[Upon Mars.]

Capitalism is the hight of the richest empires the system is based on hate and fear. Behold comunisum the grail of the people based on respect and work.

And about the peasant killing thing it's only a twist of irony i really meant what i said before that.

That donsen't make me or any one more human than that.

 

Goodnight.

 

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[Alorael at Large]

Capitalism is based on selfishness and greed (and you can't have the latter without the former). It's ugly, but it works. Communism is either on noble seflessness or iron-fisted control from the top. The former doesn't happen and the latter is even uglier than capitalism... and it doesn't work.

 

—Alorael, who as always advocates socialism only up to the point at which most people still don't realize that their selfishness isn't very productive for them personally and that laziness is a viable alternative. That's probably the point at which laziness isn't a viable alternative.

[Upon Mars.]

Hum.... i see what you mean serial

 

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Russian are harsh and evil don't blame them: the come from as harsh and evil land. Communism there is impossible. What about the germans and the Deutsch which invented a political system that aid the people and politicians are mostly communists and socialists in those countries. Explain me how come that mostly communists countries are violent ?