Ineffable Wingbolt Upon Mars. Posted December 27, 2006 Share Posted December 27, 2006 Okay where the hell come demons? in avernum cause the demons in A4 freak me out (in a wierd way). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Alorael at Large Posted December 27, 2006 Share Posted December 27, 2006 Oddly enough, they come from hell. —Alorael, who doesn't think anyone actually calls the other world/plane/universe that Grah-Hoth and company come from hell. That's what it is, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt Upon Mars. Posted December 27, 2006 Author Share Posted December 27, 2006 So what is hell a firing pit were souls are eaten? NAH in advernum they cannot be a catholic hell or am i wrong? OKAY so it would look like hell, fell like hell ,smell like hell, taste like hell , listen like hell but would there be an accurate description of hell by avernites ? And if there is hell and demons there must be heven and angels or god would have just turned around and look at it like a relly big show? (the mubbling hypocrit) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Dikiyoba Posted December 27, 2006 Share Posted December 27, 2006 Well, there is a portal to hell in The Za-Khazi Run (although as Alorael said, the game never calls it that). Jumping through it gives you a description of lava and fire, but no souls. Dikiyoba. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Dintiradan Posted December 27, 2006 Share Posted December 27, 2006 I don't think that the place where demons come from is ever refered to 'Hell' in the Vogel Canon (Easter Eggs aside). The most you get is an allusion to the 'nether planes'. Check out the Encyclopaedia: Demons and Aimee . EDIT: Ah, seems I'm repeating what Diki and Alo have said. Oh well, my links are prettier. -------------------- Object-oriented programming is an exceptionally bad idea which could only have originated in California. - Edsger Dijkstra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Fort Posted December 28, 2006 Share Posted December 28, 2006 I think it is understood that wherever the demons come from is on a different plane of existence from the Avernite's. It is just another one of those plain old nether dimensions. Nothing to worry about. It is awfully similar to hell because of the lava and brimstone, but I doubt Jeff intended it to be a Catholic hell. That would be too terrifying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Randomizer Posted December 28, 2006 Share Posted December 28, 2006 Probably because Jeff didn't want a religious war, he left it vague. TSR (now a subdivision of Hasbro) got rake over the coals about Dungeons and Dragons. They revised the demons and devils in second edition to placate the parents. You can reach where they come from by various portals and in Avernum 4 there is some mention that they live on more than one plane since the Tower Colony one was trapped here after the Grah-Hoth incident in Avernum 3. They did rule Avernum before the humans were exiled from the surface so they must like the place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Alorael at Large Posted December 28, 2006 Share Posted December 28, 2006 It's hell because it's an apparently fiery and unpleasant place filled with demons, who are really just fiery and unpleasant people. Catholics have a similar fiery and unpleasant place called hell (or Hell) as well, but the two shouldn't be confused. —Alorael, who can't see Beelzebub as a haakai. It just doesn't work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt Upon Mars. Posted December 28, 2006 Author Share Posted December 28, 2006 So they come form an other reality.... alright it make sense . So in avernum three types of creatures exist magical monsters like demons that inhabited avernum and the land above recently , semi magical type like humans and dragons as well non magical beasts like unicorns and lizards. I am wrong? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Alorael at Large Posted December 28, 2006 Share Posted December 28, 2006 Sort of, but I think your terms aren't quite right. Demons and hell hounds and such are apparently not native to the world of Avernum, but they can be summoned. They may use magic (or not), but they're not magical. Dragons, humans, sliths, vahnatai, giants, and nephils (and arguably troglodytes) are all magic-using intelligent species, but they're not inherently magical. Okay, maybe dragons and drakes are inherently magical, but they also might just be inherently magic-using. —Alorael, who doesn't really know what the difference would be between a creature and a magical or semi-magical creature. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Fort Posted December 29, 2006 Share Posted December 29, 2006 Magical creatures are simply those that evidently have a prodigious amount of magic in them, even from their incipiency or birth. Alien beasts, for example, are not magical creatures because even though the species was created by magic, each individual beast does not have the essence of magic coursing through its veins. Unicorns, upper level demons, and pixies are magical. My belief is that the demons originated in their (uncapitalized) hell dimension and some migrated to the Avernites' for an extended vacation to get away from the agonizingly boring ennui of nothing but lava and fire, not to mention the fact that everything is shaded red. The Vahnatai lived in different cave systems so they did not have too many scuffles, and then the Avernites came and, like rude guests, kicked them back to their own dimension. I guess my wonder now is whether demons can be created in the normal dimension... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt Upon Mars. Posted December 29, 2006 Author Share Posted December 29, 2006 What are alien beast ? are they those six legged creatures? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Lilith Posted December 29, 2006 Share Posted December 29, 2006 Yes. Well, unless you're thinking of the roaches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt Upon Mars. Posted January 1, 2007 Author Share Posted January 1, 2007 No about those wolfes with six legs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Sudanna Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 Yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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