Sudanna

The Shapers do not need you to win. They already have the Rebels in almost full retreat before you came along. Nalyd once stood passively by and made sure that nothing attacked his singleton PC while the final expedition of Shapers fought the Rebel defense. The Shapers lost two Thornslingers, a Wingbolt, and a Warrior. The Rebels lost. The Drakons have huge unwieldy claws. They can barely hold anything without shredding it into confetti. Good for battle, but not life.

The Drayks that haven't left outright are disgruntled and mistreated. The humans and serviles are pretty much dead. Where do you see internal strife in the Shapers? The Shapers teamed up with a Geneforge warped Servile, if you choose to play as a Servile.

The thing is, the people like Master Thell would either adjust or be forced to do the work themselves. The Drakons would rather fight and die. They have the same exact need, but they don't have the capabilities.

You're just trying to worm out of it because you're losing.

It would be less easy, of course, but the humans and Shapers could of course manage it. The Drakons, due to their arrogance and pride, would rather fight and squabble about who does the hard work and who gets to sit back and chew on Shaper bones.

And yet the Drakons virtually condemned the human Rebellion to death. They let the Geneforge sit alone and unused in a dusty back room. No human recruiting is taking place, and those that are left are given menial or useless tasks. The Drayks themselves, ancestors of the Drakons, are looked upon as amusing but worthless children. Soon enough, the Drakons will stand alone and die. Some Drayks have already rejected Drakon rule (Somewhere around Northforge, likely to the north).

Kill is great, especially against Drakons. Lightning aura is alright for Chapters 2 and 3, but you want Essence. . . Bolts or something like that, after then.

How does being sufficient only in Shaping not make the Drakons inferior? The Serviles do almost all of the menial labor, cleaning, cooking, farming, etc. The Drakons all hold high positions as military personnel, researchers, etc. Without the other creations, Drakons would collapse in upon themselves because of infighting over "It's your turn to take out the garbage!" With humans, the ones incapable of higher studies support those who are, and are for the most part okay with it. Of course, every peasant dreams of being a Shaper, but they usually realize that it isn't going to happen and carve out a nice little life for themselves. The Rebels are those who were either not recognized for their ability, are incapable of admitting their own shortcomings, or have been morally wronged by the Shapers(Who usually had a good reason to do what they did).

Yes, if you're late in the game and you haven't splurged for all the spells for four spellcasters, then there really isn't any point to money anymore. And, Dikiyoba. . . Nalyd reveres you as a god a little bit less for your signature. *Ice begins to form at Nalyd's feet*

Especially after you've buffed yourself.

The Unbound are controllable only by the barest extent because they were still weak when they were first Shaped. Once they gained enough strength to lash out, even the Drakons took casualties trying to placate them. By the time they had reached Shaper lands, it was all the Drakons could do to run away with their paltry remaining forces.

Eh? It's probably Salmon stealth-hacking your posts after that argument you had. Or you're contracting short-term memory loss. Taking any pills or medications? Oh, wait, you wouldn't remember. . .

The thing is, the Drakons had a whole unknown base to themselves before the PC came along. If you read the dialogue, you'll realize that the Shapers had absolutely no idea about where Northforge was, other than "Oh it's in the cold, inhospitable and unexplorable mountains to the west." The Drakons had years up there and what did they do? Make thing powerful and completely uncontrollable. That is the ultimate destiny of the Drakons; self-Shaping and self-Shaping until they're the Unbound times 1000.

Well, it is, but that's not what the Shapers did. They had a rational, practical need and filled it perfectly by creating something new, not solving it imperfectly by adding unpredictable, unreliable, uncontrollable, and simply dangerous power.

Wow, jared, you sure do make a forceful argument. The answer of the Drakons was the Unbound, which could have been done easier and better by the Shapers. The Shapers, on the other hand, didn't want to condemn innocent lives to death just because theirlives were threatened. When the innocents are all or at least mostly dead, then, and only then, do the Shapers resort to uncontrolled rogues. The Shapers did come up with something better. They created new things instead of adding unpredictable and unreliable power to old ones. The creation of new things, not the altering of old ones, is, in and of itself, a sign of superiority.

Nalyd thinks he means "the plot." Which is better, by the way.

Respect? They let the Geneforge sit stagnant, unused, and uncared for in a dusty back room of Northforge! They dismiss the human side of the Rebellion as ineffective and weak, and neglect the training of new lifecrafters even though it would mean little to no expense to them! Respect, Ha!

One. It had Nalyd's favorite ending. Puritanical Shaper all the way!

The Shapers commit genocide only when the creatures they are attacking are inherently dangerous, out of control, or horribly flawed. The point here is whether, in the Geneforge world, Drakons are superior or not. The point is not to justify or explain real-world events, no matter how morally corrupt they may be.

Hmmm. Nalyd agreed to no mini-modding, but polite forum etiquette should be alright. Please tone down the graemlins. They burn our eyes out of their sockets. Double posting is rather impolite, unless you have a legitimate reason for doing it. Just use the "edit" button in the top bar where your posts are. It's considered good manners to use proper grammar and spelling, too. Other than that, have fun, leave your sanity at the door, and welcome back!

*Angry choking sound* Read. . . the ****ing. . . eleven pages of this thread. . . to find out. . . Waylander is unreasonable, simply by refusing to accept reason unless it's expressed purpose is to benefit him. And if you'll excuse Nalyd, he has to go get banned from the Runescape forums again for saying how bad they are.

Because the stun rock and firebolt attack are nice, but they're overly offset by the effect. Hence his/her wanting to change them. You can always give the same attack to a different creation.

Yes. Go into the gf4itemchars file in the Scripts folder for items and characters. Back up your game files first, though, and if you have no idea whatsoever about what's going on in there, just ask us for help.

And while we're on the subject of what the Shapers should do, why not just an amorphous blob of caustic goo that simply envelops the enemy. All they would have to do is enlarge and acidicize an amoeba.

Well, that would be considerably realistic. Unfortunately, it wouldn't appeal to those crazies who don't consider the game "completed" until every last living thing is dead and every item a part of their personal hoard. Who, unfortunately, happen to be the majority. In other words, no.