ultra112

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Come to think of it I came across a crossover quest sometime ago, the guy who made this quest had a Shaper being thrown into the Game of thrones world and it's a rather interesting one; which contains intriguing views coming from the shaper's pov, link's down below if anyone is interested.

https://forums.sufficientvelocity.com/threads/a-shaper-of-ice-and-fire-geneforge-got-crossover.6028/reader/

Ah ok then 

btw are there any other setting where you played as a shaper @alhoon?

Oh definitely, cause it would most likely challenges their world view, knowing that the gods are not the only ones to be able to create life.

On 3/25/2024 at 11:51 PM, ultra112 said:

Come to think of it I wonder how will the gods in the DnD world would react to the presence of a shaper in their world?

Also any thoughts on this @alhoon?

he can try but it will be difficult since the shapers have often sharpen their minds to resist this sort of effect.

One more day left till release 

On 3/24/2024 at 4:47 AM, alhoon said:

I can tell you that, because I have run such a campaign in Ravenloft.

Long story short, the Shaper has insane power. Thus, either the Shaper choses to hide it, or the Shaper uses it.

 

- If the Shaper uses it, he or she attracts a ton of attention as most places in Ravenloft view magic as inherently evil and that is before an outlander with a superiority complex starts throwing monsters out.  Thus, the Shaper will either have to become progressively more violent to defend himself/herself or the Shaper will be swallowed by the fear he or she causes - to the evil creatures of the domain or the Darklord or even the not-bad populace that sees the nose-in-the-sky, pro-magocracy guy as a threat. 

 

- if the Shaper decides to hide the power to avoid the above, the Dark Power (or the DM) would throw increasingly more tempting curveballs to the Shaper's way, trying to push the Shaper to reveal his or her great power and go the other route. If the Shaper uses magic to heal, then priests would consider that Shaper a cleric of a bizarre deity. Again, that's dangerous in many places but honestly, it is perhaps the safest route. 

 

Now, in my campaign, the Shaper in question was pretty weak. She decided to keep the power hidden. Lasted for a session and a half before the party she was in needed "a bit of extra help" after they got injured and isolated in a room within a cursed house. She tried to pass the Creations she made as summonings but after the first two creations died and she was exhibiting sadness and anger over her creations dying - and summoning does not work in the usual way in Ravenloft - the others figured something was amiss. Furthermore, the dead creations left behind their bodies. And the two creations that survived didn't dissipate. 

Well, one turned rogue later and she killed it immediately, without any regrets, calling it "a rogue". By that time, the other characters (not they players, they were aware) were really mistrusting her and confronted her about it. The character, not accustomed to dirty non-Shapers questioning her had a negative reaction and eventually pompously explained what she could do. 

Then, not much later, the party learned of a cursed lake that was spawning what she called rogues. The Shaper was pretty sure that was an essence pool that someone was misusing. Not completely correct but not 100% wrong either; it was a cursed pool that evil druids were using to augment animals under their control and turn them evil. Like awaken animal but with some boost on the stats. Nature versus civilization kind. 

Eventually the short campaign ended without resolution as life got in the way. 

The Darklord afraid of the shaper, really? Cause I thought they would be more powerful than a shaper could be.

Come to think of it I wonder how will the gods in the DnD world would react to the presence of a shaper in their world?

yeah that's true, but we don't say that stuff outright though

Damn, those are some real nasty people right there, even though what they say are true in some capacity.

ah ok then, so what about the party members are they all human or some of them non-human

3 minutes ago, alhoon said:

She was actually expecting them to not believe it, but she was a bit hurt. I am not sure if that was a bit of player-thought tainting how the character would react though; hard to play when none of your fellow characters like you. 

For Creations, I had a bunch of custom made ones. She opted for one flying thing with a poison stinger (similar to pseudodragon, now that I think of it, but the poison didn't put someone to sleep, but did damage) and ... something that was not flying and spitting acid. Not like the roamers though; I don't remember. 

I had more in mind, but they were never Shaped in game. 

Oh you shaped a wingbolt and an artila in the campaign, nice.

On 3/24/2024 at 10:55 AM, alhoon said:

From "burn the witch" to "she is lying! SHE IS LYING!!! Only the gods can create life!" 

They never trusted her, even before they found out. They were an untrustworthy bunch. One character tried to shoot her in the back (I was playing Ravenloft with 17th century tech) because of... I don't remember. Somethng with splitting the loot and her being superior while he was a slave or something. 

The in-game disagreement turned to an out-of-game disagreement and contributed to the game ending early. Also the mistrust didn't go just towards the Shaper's character. Half the party didn't trust the other half. They were working together because they had to, not because they wanted to. 

 

I don't remember much but many of the characters were from a world where a large nation was deep into rebellion with Monarchists against Republicans. Not French Revolution, not exactly; the sides were mostly on equal footing. Regardless, the monarchists didn't like those that were pro-Republic. Another outlander was from a military dictatorship (Kinda - think like early Rome / Sparta). And the Shaper was from a magocracy. 

In hindsight, it was a recipe for disaster. 

Also, I wonder if the Shaper's reactions to her party members in denial would be like "Why is this so difficult for everyone to accept". Oh and btw what creations did you used in the campaign?

I wonder what are any other settings that you guys played using Shapers as your PC?

Wow that's a total dick move to do in a game that emphasizes on teamwork.

Oh sh*t, that is one giant mess you are dealing with 

so how did the party react to the capabilities of her powers

Wow that sounds like an interesting campaign you are running a damn shame that it ended short 

What's that supposed to mean?

You know scratch that, perhaps what would happen if a shaper got thrown in the world of Ravenloft?

huh that sounds interesting, perhaps that would give the Agent class a bit more flavor to it not to mention tactical options as well

Oh ok then 

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