Magnificent Ornk Student of Trinity Posted December 31, 2005 Share Posted December 31, 2005 Nociduas is a tough cookie on Torment: his ice rays are nasty, he has more hit points than the Nimitz, he drinks healing potions, and his demon spawn thing is also very tough. But he is quite vulnerable to Terror, even from a wand. The weird thing is his reaction to terror: instead of running away, he stays put, and chugs at least six speed potions each round. He manages one nasty ice ray per round too, despite his terror; but just the one. With all that speed, you're expecting to get blasted with four attacks the next round; but terrified Nociduas just uses all his extra speed to drink more speed. With Augmentation and Enduring Armor from the nearby birdbath, even wimpy characters can survive one hit from his ice ray, and so you can keep grinding him down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Lilith Posted December 31, 2005 Share Posted December 31, 2005 Only ever speed potions? He doesn't drink healing potions, which would at least be remotely sensible? Wow. I guess Jeff's claims about writing AI code in 5 minutes whilst drunk just might be true. I also guess this means that I might have found the game easier if I hadn't gone through the whole thing without casting Terror once. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenderfoot Thahd fbush555 Posted January 1, 2006 Share Posted January 1, 2006 Quote: Originally written by Student of Trinity:Nociduas is a tough cookie on Torment: his ice rays are nasty, he has more hit points than the Nimitz, he drinks healing potions, and his demon spawn thing is also very tough. But he is quite vulnerable to Terror, even from a wand. The weird thing is his reaction to terror: instead of running away, he stays put, and chugs at least six speed potions each round. He manages one nasty ice ray per round too, despite his terror; but just the one. With all that speed, you're expecting to get blasted with four attacks the next round; but terrified Nociduas just uses all his extra speed to drink more speed. With Augmentation and Enduring Armor from the nearby birdbath, even wimpy characters can survive one hit from his ice ray, and so you can keep grinding him down. While he was casting, I tried to completely fill the room with my own summoned creatures so his demon wouldn't appear. It didn't work, but I think that might've just been a result of poor placement of my characters. I ended up defeating him in a straight up fight, so I didn't get to carry out my experiment past the second try. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seasoned Roamer Duality Posted January 1, 2006 Share Posted January 1, 2006 Actually, I saw him chug 6 speed potions per round without casting terror on him. It was the strangest thing I've ever seen. Made him a heck of a lot easier to fight though. I will say that the AI in A4 is about the dumbest thing I've ever seen. If an enemy sees one of your characters far away, it runs towards them until it runs out of movement points, usually stopping right next to my fighters so they get a round of free hits before it gets to move again. (considering it's inability to work together or make even moderately intelligent choices, I'd believe he wrote it in 5 minutes while drunk) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan Istara Posted January 1, 2006 Share Posted January 1, 2006 He's not easy, it just took me about ten trys on a regular four-party playthrough. I finally won when for some reason he went into the altar room at the side (I had opened the door) and got blocked in there by some shades I summoned, leaving me clearer to fight the demon. You have to be careful with summoning though, because he fires out a lot of charm spells. For this reason, keep your priest well back, because if she/he gets charmed, it's all over. It's not a bad idea to send out one character exploring and pick up the *item* on his body/coffin in the corner - it's useful during the fight to stay alive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Ephesos Posted January 1, 2006 Share Posted January 1, 2006 Honestly, I cannot stress this enough... keep him Dazed, and he'll never get to summon the demon. I've replicated this experiment several times, and it works. Just make sure he's dazed before his turn in combat comes around (haste your mage to give yourself another chance in case he resists). Of course, this worked best with a party of two mages and two priests... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Dikiyoba Posted January 1, 2006 Share Posted January 1, 2006 Quote: Originally written by Duality:I will say that the AI in A4 is about the dumbest thing I've ever seen. If an enemy sees one of your characters far away, it runs towards them until it runs out of movement points, usually stopping right next to my fighters so they get a round of free hits before it gets to move again. (considering it's inability to work together or make even moderately intelligent choices, I'd believe he wrote it in 5 minutes while drunk) The melee creations in Geneforge behave the same way. So maybe the AI was just copied from Geneforge. Dikiyoba. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Slawbug Posted January 5, 2006 Share Posted January 5, 2006 AAaaaahAHhhh! Shikeys but this guy is tough. Wow. Even on Easy, he seems a bit much for my singleton to handle. The demon is pretty much irrelevant. I suppose I could just shell out the cash for Heal, and cast that and shoot my bow every turn, and use some very large number of energy potions... but jeez. There's gotta be a better way. Synergy, any thoughts? I think I'm just gonna have to wait for a second +AP item, and come back once I've gotten that significant power boost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Synergy Posted January 5, 2006 Share Posted January 5, 2006 Yeah, you could walk past Noci, pick up what you came there for, and leave. That is, unless you really need the 65 XP you'll get from killing him and his pet. Refreshing myself on my own game. Here's what I did: "I got the Emerald Chestguard successfully. I did it two ways. The first is so stupidly easy, I am quite sure Jeff forgot to make it necessary to get through Nociduas to get at the armor, instead of just sneaking by him. I also tried taking him and his pet demon off the map, and succeeded on my second or third attempt, but it took 8 Invulnerabilty Potions to do it, which is rather ridiculous." Daze and Slow are often helpful in these situations, if you have enough magical power to make Daze work against Noci. I saeem to recall mine wasn't working so well against him. Someone here said Terror works well on him, but I never tried that myself. There's no way as a singleton to do enough in time to stop Noci from summoning the demon. Seems like lots of Energy Potions and Invulnerability potions is the only reliable way to work it, and it's just a long, tedious, expensive...and unnecessary battle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Slawbug Posted January 5, 2006 Share Posted January 5, 2006 Hmm... he doesn't drop anything? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Synergy Posted January 5, 2006 Share Posted January 5, 2006 Not what you came there for. It's on a body in back. I don't remember him dropping anything too exciting, and I don't remember now what it is. Maybe someone else can say. I don't have any save games in that vicinity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast VCH Posted January 12, 2006 Share Posted January 12, 2006 I locked him in his bedroom then killed the demon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Student of Trinity Posted January 12, 2006 Author Share Posted January 12, 2006 'Nociduas! No thank you! Go to your room until you're ready to come out and say you're sorry for creating undead monstrosities!' Only problem is that I think Nociduas has now been eliminated, so you can't come a dozen levels later, open the door, and blast him. At least that's how it was when you tried this trick on Sharon's Battle Gamma in G2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chittering Clawbug I Am Damo Suzuki Posted January 13, 2006 Share Posted January 13, 2006 Incidently, where is the Emerald Chestguard located? I was originally under the impression that I'd find it in the dark slith lands, but I've not encountered it yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Lilith Posted January 13, 2006 Share Posted January 13, 2006 There are two areas full of dark sliths. The one where you find the Emerald Chestguard is west of Fort Dranlon. Look for a secret passage in the far northwest of that area. Don't go in unless you're well-prepared. Note that you need to talk to Ariadne in Fort Dranlon before you can find the secret passage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Drakefyre Posted January 13, 2006 Share Posted January 13, 2006 I managed to kill Nociduas on my second try before he summoned the demon. I don't really remember what I did to him, but it worked pretty well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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