Well-Actually War Trall Ash Lael Posted February 18, 2007 Share Posted February 18, 2007 I've started playing G4, and geez. It's just WAY too easy. It seems a decent game so far, but the combat is so unchallenging and tedious that I'm getting quite bored. So this means I have to give myself a challenge! Thuryl already did Onan the Barbarian, so it has to be something tougher than no magic, no canisters, and no creations. I want to do something really ridiculous. I'm thinking something like no training, or maybe a Servile who isn't allowed to do any damage himself and must rely purely on his creations. I'll start this challenge tomorrow night, so feel free to come up with intensely difficult suggestions and/or cast votes until then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Randomizer Posted February 18, 2007 Share Posted February 18, 2007 You do need some training just to be able to get enough damage in chapter 2 - Illya province. I started a servile with a single creation that did all the damage for him and it works if the servile casts daze and healing spells. A servile with no spells and only creations fighting seems reasonable. After all creation is his worst ability and he has lower essence. You get plenty of money because you sell all the weapons that don't have useful abilities like guardian claymore's strength to self and creations. How about you only use a stick for a weapon? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Alorael at Large Posted February 18, 2007 Share Posted February 18, 2007 Your character cannot cast spells, attack, or use items. You may make one and only one creation, and it must be a fyora made as soon as possible in the beginning. If it dies, you reload. Have fun by a very different definition from mine! —Alorael, who otherwise thinks that a melee-only, non-canister lifecrafter would be a suitably agonizing challenge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Dikiyoba Posted February 18, 2007 Share Posted February 18, 2007 Since there is a current thread on it, I nominate the lowest level possible . Dikiyoba. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Lilith Posted February 18, 2007 Share Posted February 18, 2007 I hope you realise that if you do a low-level challenge, I'm going to have to do one as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Ash Lael Posted February 18, 2007 Author Share Posted February 18, 2007 Ooh. I'm tempted on that basis alone. But I think the fact that you've played the game already would give you a pretty sizable advantage in such a contest. I like the stick idea if only for comedy value. A Servile named Ug, who also never trains in Leadership ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody Walter Posted February 18, 2007 Share Posted February 18, 2007 Just do the challenge mentioned in-game (never attack anything). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Randomizer Posted February 18, 2007 Share Posted February 18, 2007 You can use rocks for a missle weapon. There is the martial arts challenge of bare handed and only wearing robes. Kind of silly but possible with high strength and endurance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody The Lurker Posted February 18, 2007 Share Posted February 18, 2007 I haven't bought G4 yet, but the "don't attack anything" "challenge" was extremely easy in the first three Geneforges, and I suspect it will be that way for G4, especially if you have the hint book. An example : You can sabotage Shaila's platform while she's standing on it. The lightning aura will "kill" her in only a few rounds. EDIT : Okay, I think you do have to attack Barzahl in G2 if you want the Loyalist or Taker ending, even if you let the Drayks do all the work for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Ash Lael Posted February 18, 2007 Author Share Posted February 18, 2007 No combat is actually pretty easy in general. And it also gets boring. Anyway, Ug has been launched! I'm using Mechanics, but not Leadership, and playing a heavily combat-focussed game. I've also extended no spellcasting to using any pods or other magic items (though wearing magic armour is okay). I've just knocked over Shalia, and so far so good. After a little pain early on when dealing with large numbers of opponents I can only kill one at a time, I've started to follow Thuryl's lead and am investing in Endurance. I also carry around a lot of food - I don't have anything else to spend my cash on, so that's pretty much unlimited and I use it as much as possible, regularly chomping down snacks while in the middle of a fight. I can't help expecting Ug to get really overweight, what with his unhealthy dependency on kebabs. On the other hand, I guess it all gets surgically removed... No real difficulties so far. I'm spreading skill points fairly evenly among combat skills (though with extra endurance), and I have to say, quick action and parry help a lot, especially against tougher opponents. When all you have to hit people with is a stick, it helps to hit them a few times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan Darkdread Posted February 18, 2007 Share Posted February 18, 2007 can you upload a picture of Ug? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Ash Lael Posted February 18, 2007 Author Share Posted February 18, 2007 I could, but I can't be bothered. He looks just like every other servile. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan Darkdread Posted February 18, 2007 Share Posted February 18, 2007 No doubt about that, I just was curious about the statistics Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Randomizer Posted February 19, 2007 Share Posted February 19, 2007 The nice part about high endurance is walking through the poisonous atmosphere of the Dumping Pit and taking little damage. Except for that corner. With no magic you are going to pile up cash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Sudanna Posted February 19, 2007 Share Posted February 19, 2007 With no magic, you'll be able to afford the trainers. After them, you'll wish you'd gone with spells. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody Dark Mage Posted February 19, 2007 Share Posted February 19, 2007 You should try with a warrior and only use spells!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody Walter Posted February 19, 2007 Share Posted February 19, 2007 How about this: never attack anything yourself, but make one fyora when you first can, and never use any other creations. Pump up its stats with essence and its skill points, and use blessing and healing spells on it in combat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody Dark Mage Posted February 19, 2007 Share Posted February 19, 2007 Why don't preparing an humour routine and make that all enemies die of laughter!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Ash Lael Posted February 20, 2007 Author Share Posted February 20, 2007 How about I finish with Ug first? I've just gotten through the Cairn Gates, and am level 11. The Battle Alphas at the bridge and the Restless Dead have been the only things too tough for me so far. Oh, and I got through the Dumping Pits by just running past and taking a few hits rather than taking on a trio of Runewarded Thahds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody Walter Posted February 22, 2007 Share Posted February 22, 2007 It might be a challenge to do the no magic/creations route, but use a lifecrafter as your class. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Ash Lael Posted March 4, 2007 Author Share Posted March 4, 2007 UPDATE!! I just beat Moseh and got through Illya Province. Damn tough, too. I thought he had me. I ended up bringing him down with all of 12 HP to spare. To date, Ug has eaten well over a thousand kebabs. He somehow maintains good fighting fitness. I'm now tossing up whether it's acceptable to take reinforcements with me in the Fens. On one hand, I haven't been training in Leadership, so the most I can get is 2 soldiers anyway, so it's not like Ug won't still be labouring under a disadvantage compared to most non-stick-wielding characters. On the other... is it cheapening the challenge to accept help? I've been using occasional help where I can get it anyway (leading monsters back to friendly characters, or fighting alongside characters in specific situations). I'm inclined to say it's alright, but if people demand further masochism I can go without. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Mea Tulpa Posted March 4, 2007 Share Posted March 4, 2007 Masochism. Ug is too repulsive for anyone to occupy adjacent party slots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Randomizer Posted March 4, 2007 Share Posted March 4, 2007 Bring along a couple of tech serviles. They can sit in a corner and provide technical support as you whack mines with a stick. Besides they won't mind your looks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Student of Trinity Posted March 4, 2007 Share Posted March 4, 2007 No love means never having to share your kebabs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Ash Lael Posted March 6, 2007 Author Share Posted March 6, 2007 Solo it is. *clutches kebabs to himself distrustfully* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curious Artila zergswarm13 Posted March 9, 2007 Share Posted March 9, 2007 *hungry guards and serviles hang their heads and leave* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Lilith Posted March 26, 2007 Share Posted March 26, 2007 So, uh, any progress on this or have you given up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chittering Clawbug Sir Spiff Posted March 27, 2007 Share Posted March 27, 2007 Here is my challenge to you. As soon as possible, you get your ability to create Thahds up to three. After that, you make one Charged Thahd. It must survive and do all the fighting on its own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Mea Tulpa Posted March 27, 2007 Share Posted March 27, 2007 Hah! Now that is a challenge. I wonder if it's doable without cheating if you stay in combat mode forever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Dikiyoba Posted March 27, 2007 Share Posted March 27, 2007 Given how quickly you can get three levels of create thahd, essence and battle shaping skills might be more of a deciding factor. It's a pity only the duration of restoration spell increases and not the amount of damage it heals. Dikiyoba. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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