Serviles!

[XxX]

Hello evrybody, Now every Geneforge game I have only wanted 1 thing to create a servile. Now since Geneforge 3 just came out and number is coming does anybody know ANY way at all to make this possible?

 

XxX

[Nioca]

I think you can play a servile in GF4, but not shape one. Sorry.

[XxX]

How can you play them?

 

XxX

[XxX]

Well still I REALLY REALLY REALLY need to know if there is any way possible to shpa or be serviles and Geneforge 1, 2 or 3?

 

XxX

[Nioca]

From what I've heard, you can choose a servile for your main character.

 

EDIT: But it's not possible to shape a servile in any of the Geneforge games.

[The Mystic]

I once asked Jeff if you could create your own serviles, and he said you couldn't.

 

But there really is a way to do it: Either write your own Geneforge game, or do some massive script editing for the existing ones. You're on your own with that, though.

[Nioca]

Actually, you could get a servile in your party in GF2. But you had to be a member of the Awakened.

[XxX]

I kinda already found a VERY crappy way to do it. In the Data folder say you're Clabug pics are numbers 1111 1112 1113 1114 and servile pics are 2224 2225 2226 2227 you just swap numbers but when it not movings looks like servile is servile but when move has some sort of box and switch from it to clawbug.So um how would you go about that massive script editing?

 

PLEASE help

 

XxX

 

Where do you go to find these serviles you can convince

[Dikiyoba]

The closest thing you can get to shaping or being a servile in the first three Geneforges is that you can convince two serviles to join you in G2 if you have enough leadership and an Awakened viewpoint. [Edit: Nioca beat me to it.]

 

And, for future reference, please don't double post. Use the edit button instead.

 

Dikiyoba.

[XxX]

How you do that tell me plz...

[Nioca]

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Originally written by XxX:
Where do you go to find these serviles you can convince

There's one in the Awakened HQ. I wasn't aware of there being a second one though...

[XxX]

In Drypeak on in warrens or mines or fields?

[Nioca]

It's that magic lab at the northeast corner of Drypeak.

[The Mystic]

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Originally written by XxX:
So um how would you go about that massive script editing?

If I knew how to do it, I'd gladly tell you. I've never tried it myself, but it probably can be done, at least in theory.

There's a list of scripts on the main page of this forum, and you can also ask those here who have experience editing scripts.

[Dikiyoba]

There's Heust Blade of the misfits in the Takers land, so it's not until the end of the game.

 

The first servile isn't in Drypeak. He's in the Awakened Complex in Awakened lands past Medab and over the bridge.

 

Also, not double posting just means that you can't have two posts in a row. A new post after someone else posts a response is fine.

 

Finally, I don't recommend editing the scripts or graphics unless you really know what you're doing. I hope you saved a backup copy before you started messing with anything.

 

That said, Dikiyoba might be able to get a servile as a main character in G1. It won't make sense and there will be limitations, but it might be possible.

[XxX]

How how tell me how might it work?

 

please tell me

[*i]

Quote:

Originally written by XxX:
How how tell me how might it work?

please tell me

That's one thing you are going to have to figure out yourself. Do some research on how the scripts work, experiment with them, and then try modifying them. We can't help you out with every little thing.

[Kelandon]

As a hint, I think it would involve going into gf3itemschars.txt and replacing a creature that you can shape with a servile. (That is, swap in servile stats in place of a fyora or a thahd or some other creation.)

 

The exact details, though, I leave to you, since I haven't actually done it myself.

[Nioca]

Quote:

Originally written by Kelandon:
As a hint, I think it would involve going into gf3itemschars.txt and replacing a creature that you can shape with a servile. (That is, swap in servile stats in place of a fyora or a thahd or some other creation.)

There's one massive danger with this train of thought. The shapable version of the creation is also used elsewhere in the game. Therefore, if you turn the shapable fyora into a slith, you will eventually run across other 'sliths' elsewhere in the game.

An example? In GF3, I tried to turn the shapable version of the Ornk into a cameo of myself, which could cast Diamond Spray at will. Imagine my surprise when I walked into San Ru and discovered a bunch of 'me' grazing near the back of the town. This would have been bad enough, except that those 'me' creatures were also mooing!

Needless to say, I promptly returned the script to normal, and never again attempted to modify a creature.

[Dikiyoba]

Originally by Nioca:

 

Quote:

There's one massive danger with this train of thought. The shapable version of the creation is also used elsewhere in the game. Therefore, if you turn the shapable fyora into a slith, you will eventually run across other 'sliths' elsewhere in the game.

That's why I only know it's possible with the main character in G1. The only other Shaper is Go-whatever, and he has his own creature type, so it's fine.

 

1. Save a backup copy of the files gforscen and G200

 

2. Replace G200 with this

 

3. Find this chunk of text in gforscen:

 

Code:

begindefinecreature 0;	cr_name = "Shaper";	cr_graphic_template = 11;

and replace the 11 with a 14. This replaces all the Shaper graphics with servile ones. Then, find the text that deals with attacking/spells:

 

Code:

cr_abil_num 0 = 0; // punch	cr_abil_level 0 = 1;	cr_abil_pose_for_casting 0 = 2;		cr_abil_step_of_launch 0 = 8;	cr_abil_anim_in_reverse 0 = 1;			cr_abil_num 1 = 3; // firebolt	cr_abil_level 1 = 1;	cr_abil_pose_for_casting 1 = 2;		cr_abil_step_of_launch 1 = 8;	cr_abil_anim_in_reverse 1 = 1;

and so on. It's a long list, and some of the spells with have cr_abil_pose_for_casting 1 = 5; instead of cr_abil_pose_for_casting 1 = 2;. Replace all the 5s with 2s, otherwise when you cast the spell, the game will expect a non-existant graphic and the game will crash.

 

4. Start a new game as a Shaper. It will look normal on the create character screen, but it will be altered in the game itself.

 

That's it, I think. Now, for all the limitations.

 

1. You can't ever equip swords, batons, or wands, because they change the graphics and it just looks weird. Javelins are the only weapons you can equip.

 

2. You will have all the default abilities and sounds of a Shaper. Which is fine in this case, because you're a servile, but would be weird for other creatures.

 

3. I have not throughly tested this.

 

4. This is all I know. If you want anything else, you'll have to figure it out yourself.

 

5. Spiderweb Software won't provide support or be liable if you mess up your game by doing this. And neither will Dikiyoba.

[tridash]

Hm, actually, I think it could be possible to change graphics for just your shaped creations.

 

For example, in the thahd defs we have

Quote:

begindefinecreature 20; // pc created thahd

// base for all thahd imports

The other thahds seem to be

Quote:

begindefinecreature 21; // friendly thahd

and

Quote:

begindefinecreature 22; // hostile thahd

.

 

If you copy all of the thahd abilities from 20 over to 21, 22 onwards will read from 21 and you can freely change the graphics etc. for 20, your own shaped thahds.

 

I'm not sure if that would definitely work (I haven't tried it yet), but I'll give it a go now...

[ex post slarto]

The comments in those files are not always 100% accurate...

[XxX]

Well before I tell you this I want you to promise you won't spread any rumours... good. So I wanted to tell you that I AM going to build a game using stuff from the Avernum and Geneforge series! Of course in my game you WILL be able to SHAPE AND PLAY AS A SERVILE (Hooray)!

 

EDIT:For more on Xeon, The Beginning go to my newest poll called Xeon, The Beginning...

 

XxX

[*i]

You do realize, depending on what you do, that this may be totally illegal?

[XxX]

really (answer on xeon the beginning post)

[*i]

Your post, aside from being in the wrong location, fails to answer much of anything.

[Delicious Vlish]

I may be a bit rogue posting this after Shaper Stareye said his piece, but this thread deals with copyright infringement and discusion of a form of theft. Which does not fly here. So I am going to nail this thread with a submission bolt from the ol' central tentacle. Also, this thread really serves no purpose. Any talk of playing a lower life form (servile) should be done in the G4 section of the board where it belongs.

 

**fires green ray**