Well-Actually War Trall alhoon Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 The Barzite Shaper should also rock e-shield. I have healing 4 and regen 2, and I still go for e-shield. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Lorn Posted May 12 Author Share Posted May 12 (edited) Okay I'm getting tasked to go see Eass. But I can't find him anywhere, The guy told me he is in the "mixing cave", but where is it? I seem to remember that Akkat told me to go to Eass, but first go to Rhakkus. When I go to Rhakkus I get a "go to Akkat". Edit: Solved. I have to use the lever near, because it doesn't get opened on his own or via dialogues". Edited May 12 by Lorn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Lorn Posted May 12 Author Share Posted May 12 So, what is hidden behind the door in the taker complex? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Randomizer Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 Something you can't hear about until GF3. alhoon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk earanhart Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 17 hours ago, Lorn said: Okay Slariton. By the way, Hide contents Rhakkus remade me. But I had no attribute change or any change at all. Intended? None of the alterations in this game have mechanical effects. They just allow people other than Phariton to train you in the "new super spells/creations". How Phariton manages to bypass the "your body can't handle these energies" barrier, I'm not sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Lorn Posted May 13 Author Share Posted May 13 Got it. I had hoped to get a mini-version of the geneforge. But doesn't seem like it's not. That could have been a cool twist for Takers - if you are so intended into destroying shapers and joining us, why don't you become one of us to prove your loyalty? With Takers I would have loved to be able to transfer my conscience in the body of a drakon, given that they are way stronger than human and sturdier, and use the geneforge later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall alhoon Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 1 hour ago, Lorn said: Got it. I had hoped to get a mini-version of the geneforge. But doesn't seem like it's not. That could have been a cool twist for Takers - if you are so intended into destroying shapers and joining us, why don't you become one of us to prove your loyalty? With Takers I would have loved to be able to transfer my conscience in the body of a drakon, given that they are way stronger than human and sturdier, and use the geneforge later. Takers do a lower version of what Tuldaric does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Lorn Posted May 13 Author Share Posted May 13 Do you mean that tuldaric actually improves stats, or that judging by the lore of the game he is better? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall alhoon Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 2 hours ago, Lorn said: Do you mean that tuldaric actually improves stats, or that judging by the lore of the game he is better? Sorry for not being clear: You get the same "benefit" which is "you can now learn a few top-tier spells, that require you to have 6 in the requisite magic" from all. Lorewise, Tuldaric is the first to do it. The others are copying his work and in some cases asking you for his notes so that they COULD do it to you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Lorn Posted May 16 Author Share Posted May 16 I've found a second conduit shard in the pit of the bound. I'm a barzite and I thought I could give it to someone. But in the college, I can ask Fenen what's the room where did the summon go and what did it bring with himself but not if he needs another. To whom I should deliver the second crystal shard so I can get my barzite's charm? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Randomizer Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 In the Radiant College there's a guy selling crystals northwest of the center passage that will take it for a charm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Lorn Posted May 17 Author Share Posted May 17 16 hours ago, Randomizer said: In the Radiant College there's a guy selling crystals northwest of the center passage that will take it for a charm. Thanks a lot. Found him, it's simply east to the main shaping hell in front of a table with all crystals. The charm is really disappointing though. For anyone wondering , you get: +1 to healing craft +10% to creation blessing curses Better than nothing I guess :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall alhoon Posted May 17 Share Posted May 17 21 minutes ago, Lorn said: Thanks a lot. Found him, it's simply east to the main shaping hell in front of a table with all crystals. The charm is really disappointing though. For anyone wondering , you get: Reveal hidden contents +1 to healing craft +10% to creation blessing curses Better than nothing I guess 😛 That's pretty good, IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Lorn Posted May 18 Author Share Posted May 18 I forgot to make a note: what does Phariton need in the quest Stuff For Phariton? I remember: a cauldron, and then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Randomizer Posted May 18 Share Posted May 18 Cauldron, ink, puresteel bar, 10 fin mined crystals, and bellows. Lorn 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Lorn Posted May 18 Author Share Posted May 18 (edited) Thank you <3 Does anyone give you a quest to clean Drypeak mine? Edited May 18 by Lorn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Randomizer Posted May 18 Share Posted May 18 No, just to rescue Lost Serviles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall alhoon Posted May 18 Share Posted May 18 Ohh... Phariton had a quest. I forgot that. Well, he is too dead now. Men are from Slars 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Men are from Slars Posted May 18 Share Posted May 18 "too dead"... I love it. alhoon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Lorn Posted May 24 Author Share Posted May 24 (edited) Question: I am in the stinking marsh, but I can't find the source of the roamer anywhere. Does anyone have any clue ? Edit: it's in the crystal mines. Edited May 24 by Lorn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Lorn Posted May 24 Author Share Posted May 24 (edited) 1) where do I find the ink for Phariton? This quest is a nightmare. Found it in the research warrens. 2) Also he wishes for an iron cauldron - I only found a Clay cauldron and a simple "cauldron". Where do I find an iron cauldron? Edit: the generic "cauldron" is enough. As for the bellows, sucks that it seems I've only found one in the smithy of drypeak. Edited May 24 by Lorn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall alhoon Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 There are iron cauldrons practically everywhere. Go to any settlement or place lots of people live and you will find cauldrons. Ink is where people keep records. Phariton should not be receiving items, he should be receiving your wrath. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Randomizer Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 Funny fact - there is an iron cauldron in the servile area as you enter Phariton's Hall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Lorn Posted May 25 Author Share Posted May 25 (edited) Question - there is a dying servile in the infected crossroad. Is there any way to save him/her? Edited May 25 by Lorn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Randomizer Posted May 25 Share Posted May 25 No Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Genernumlover Posted May 25 Share Posted May 25 20 hours ago, alhoon said: There are iron cauldrons practically everywhere. Go to any settlement or place lots of people live and you will find cauldrons. Ink is where people keep records. Phariton should not be receiving items, he should be receiving your wrath. You can give him the stuff he wants and destroy him later if you think the rewards or XP are worth it. I try and do the quests for everybody before I join a faction in order to maximize my XP gain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall alhoon Posted May 25 Share Posted May 25 45 minutes ago, Genernumlover said: You can give him the stuff he wants and destroy him later if you think the rewards or XP are worth it. I try and do the quests for everybody before I join a faction in order to maximize my XP gain. I am generally the same but I was angry enough that I attacked him immediately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Lorn Posted May 25 Author Share Posted May 25 Thank you guys. Question: I'm near Melathir and his huge Rothgorod. I disabled the power, and I get the "the creature is slowly going rogue". How can I turn the creature against Melathir? There are no leadership option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Randomizer Posted May 25 Share Posted May 25 You need Leadership 7 and the power turned off to break the control. You don't see that as a option, but it is in the zone script. It only speeds up the fight since you usually get splashed with acid either way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Lorn Posted May 25 Author Share Posted May 25 (edited) So, once you go hostile via dialogue against Melathir, the creation is supposed to turn on him? Because in my test he didn't. (I have leadership 7) Edited May 25 by Lorn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Genernumlover Posted May 25 Share Posted May 25 11 minutes ago, Lorn said: So, once you go hostile via dialogue against Melathir, the creation is supposed to turn on him? Because in my test he didn't. (I have leadership 7) I think you have to hit Melathir a few times and then he tries to control the creation and it attacks him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Lorn Posted May 25 Author Share Posted May 25 K. I've got another question - I'm inside Benari power. I remember that the servant here could turn off guardian golems. My issue is that the power golems seems to be immortal (wounding them to 1 hp makes them regen). So, any way to reach the servant mind without having to face these? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Genernumlover Posted May 25 Share Posted May 25 14 minutes ago, Lorn said: K. I've got another question - I'm inside Benari power. I remember that the servant here could turn off guardian golems. My issue is that the power golems seems to be immortal (wounding them to 1 hp makes them regen). So, any way to reach the servant mind without having to face these? You have to dodge around corners when they are coming, hide, and sneak around. There is a trio of golems directly below the Servant Mind which you can outright destroy, as they are much weaker and don't pause to repair themselves. The catch is that power golems run into the room sometimes. If you can enter from Benerii-Uss Holding, I think you can just run east to the mind while hiding from any power golems that come by. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Lorn Posted May 25 Author Share Posted May 25 Thanks. Did it. another question: I killed the rotted avatar but I wasn't able to capture it into the rod. Does anyone know the reason? Or is it only for the rotting avatar that this is supposed to happen? Also I found it odd that I've destroyed the two spirits near him, then went to him and they appeared once again and started spawning shade. What a bad ending. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Randomizer Posted May 25 Share Posted May 25 You had to tell the Rotting Avatar to get in the Emissary Baton. You might have accidentally chosen the wrong option. Bothering the Rotten Avatar caused him to use the machines to make more spirits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Lorn Posted May 25 Author Share Posted May 25 Yeah, I discovered that it doesn't matter if you killed the spirits before - if you channel him into the baton, they respawn. Randomizer, if you accept being remade by Tuldaric and the others, does it count as having used the canisters? Also, I read you can get remade by Grimbeard in Outer Gaza uss. Can you get remade twice ? :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Randomizer Posted May 25 Share Posted May 25 I didn't look at which things changed the endings. Gaak-Uss and the drakon trainer in Hermit's Crossing don't require you to have been modified to teach you the high level spells. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Lorn Posted May 25 Author Share Posted May 25 I've got another question - I left the factory (Everfrost mine) without getting essence mastery (I wanted to get it later). Now I came back to it and the door doesn't open. Did I lose it ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Randomizer Posted May 25 Share Posted May 25 *shakes Magic 8 Ball* Yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Lorn Posted May 25 Author Share Posted May 25 :| Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Lorn Posted May 26 Author Share Posted May 26 I've got a question about canisters. I had thought that the canister you would find around would give you a +1 and that +1 would be based on the current attribute level you have. I explain myself more clearly: Leadership 1 = Costs 2 If you find a canister and use it, your +1 is valued as two points. Leadership 10 = costs 6 If you find a canister and use it, your +1 is valued as six points. But it seems like it's not like that and you simply get a +1 without the value cost for attributes actually rising when using a canister? So using the canister when your leadership value is 1 or leadership value is 10 actually grants you the same amount of "virtual" points. Am I wrong? And is it the same on geneforge: mutagen ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall alhoon Posted May 26 Share Posted May 26 Training / canisters / other things that raise your traits permanently or temporarily, do not affect the cost to raise them. You can have 4 or 5 on an ability (I forget which one) and you still get it at cost 3 to raise, as if it was at 1. The cost to train increases only with the times you have trained. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Genernumlover Posted May 26 Share Posted May 26 24 minutes ago, alhoon said: Training / canisters / other things that raise your traits permanently or temporarily, do not affect the cost to raise them. You can have 4 or 5 on an ability (I forget which one) and you still get it at cost 3 to raise, as if it was at 1. The cost to train increases only with the times you have trained. The refined training and canister system has made things a lot more convenient compared to the original Geneforge 2. alhoon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Lorn Posted May 26 Author Share Posted May 26 If only I knew. I was used to save canisters and use them at last moment (later levels) for maximum efficiency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Men are from Slars Posted May 26 Share Posted May 26 I don't think canisters ever factored into skill point cost in any version of Geneforge, did they? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Randomizer Posted May 26 Share Posted May 26 Original GF1 and 2 had canisters affecting training, but I don't remember skill point costs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Men are from Slars Posted May 26 Share Posted May 26 OG1 training was uncapped -- remember you could max out Luck with Dig? -- and skill point costs were fixed, so there was not actually any way for canisters (or anything else) to affect it. I have a vague memory of maxing out Parry during the OG2 tutorial so that the free point from Shanti would be worth the most skill points, so maybe that was a thing in OG2 after all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall alhoon Posted May 26 Share Posted May 26 When I played O-GF2, I was told to get the "bonuses" at certain times, I don't remember about canisters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Lorn Posted June 3 Author Share Posted June 3 I've got a question - is there any other game where the player is able to use the geneforge and get the nifty bonuses, apart from G1? Not just a +3, something akin to what you get in G1: Mutagen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall alhoon Posted June 3 Share Posted June 3 1 hour ago, Lorn said: I've got a question - is there any other game where the player is able to use the geneforge and get the nifty bonuses, apart from G1? Not just a +3, something akin to what you get in G1: Mutagen The non-spoiler answer is: No. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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