Burgeoning Battle Gamma Cmiller Posted December 1, 2012 Share Posted December 1, 2012 Where would i go if I had a question to Jeff, our humble creator of the awesome games will played. I just wanted to ask him where he got on of the names for one the races in avernum. Specifically the Nephilim. Nephilim is used somewhere else. Perhaps that is where he might have gotten it. Or it could just be mere coincidence that he made it up himself without knowing. Anyway yeah, can someone tell me. Cmiller Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt Mosquito---Slayer Posted December 1, 2012 Share Posted December 1, 2012 Maybe you could e-mail him, that's the best I got, he doesn't read the forums too often. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Aran Posted December 1, 2012 Share Posted December 1, 2012 You could email him. But it's well established, I think, that "Nephilim" was essentially cribbed from religious texts (books of Moses, specifically, according to Wikipedia). Since biblical Nephilim are generally interpreted as giants or titans and there is no mention of cats at all, the name is apparently the only thing they have in common. Edit: Whoops, Google sent me to some aggregated copy-pasta on Yahoo Answers containing the unsourced claim that Jeff Vogel, designer and programmer of the games, has said that he invented the name for this race independently. If you do email him and get an answer, please do post it to settle the matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Trenton. Posted December 1, 2012 Share Posted December 1, 2012 (edited) Email him directly. That always works. The Cat-raced people are used so often in RPG's... Who's to say that Skyrim Didn't steal it from Jeff? Sniped Twice Edited December 1, 2012 by Typo Incarnate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Tyranicus Posted December 1, 2012 Share Posted December 1, 2012 The Cat-raced people are used so often in RPG's... Who's to say that Skyrim Didn't steal it from Jeff? The Elder Scrolls: Arena came out in 1994. Exile: Escape from the Pit came out in 1995. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast VCH Posted December 1, 2012 Share Posted December 1, 2012 Now the big question is: why hasn't jeff put "mice-men' in any of his games. Imagine the possibility for comedy, overshadowed by a serious conflict. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Student of Trinity Posted December 1, 2012 Share Posted December 1, 2012 One reason for people to have heard the Biblical Hebrew 'nephilim' was that Dragon magazine used to have a regular feature in which characters from well-known works of fantasy fiction were represented as D&D characters, with levels and stats assigned. The feature was titled, "Giants in the earth." The title didn't seem to make much sense. Most of the characters described didn't even live on Earth, let alone in it, and nor were they giant. But if anyone was curious enough to try to look up the phrase in any reference book — this was before Google, kids — they might learn that it came from a cryptic verse in Genesis about a never-afterwards-mentioned race of demi-gods who were 'the heroes of old'. The term 'nephilim' comes from that verse — it's what gets translated as 'giants'. It's not actually clear whether the nephilim are the heroes of old, or just contemporaries of them. Anyhow, anybody into RPGs in 1980s might well have run into the word 'nephilim' in this way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon The Almighty Doer of Stuff Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 Now the big question is: why hasn't jeff put "mice-men' in any of his games. Imagine the possibility for comedy, overshadowed by a serious conflict. There are rat-men in, I think, The Za-Khazi Run in BoE/BoA. I know in BoE there's a monster graphic and a dialogue graphic depicting a rat man. I'm pretty sure there's no nephilim nearby though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Rowen Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 I didn't see anyone post the email. I think this is it: support@spiderwebsoftware.com Also, when I click on the email link on Spiderwebs home page nothing happens. Is something wrong on my side? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt Mosquito---Slayer Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 Yeah, doesn't work for me either, so probably nothing wrong on your side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Lilith Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 Works fine for me. Does your browser normally handle mailto links correctly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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