Burgeoning Battle Gamma Walker White Posted March 4, 2011 Share Posted March 4, 2011 One of the things that I like to to with Jeff's games is play around with the dialog files. If I screw something up, and my best save is to far away, I add some dialog to someone in town with some code that fixes the problem. Us long-time Spiderweb files understand Avernum/Geneforge script almost as well as Jeff. The dialog scripts for Avadon appear to be exactly the same as previous games. However, my tricks are no longer working. When I add new dialog nodes in the fortress, dialog fails. As in everyone stops talking to me. I click on someone and no dialog box appears at all. I am not doing anything different. So the only thing I can think of is that there are some other files that track the dialog nodes in the scripts -- like a checksum. All is not lost, however. It appears that I can safely alter the code of any existing dialog node. I just cannot add new dialog nodes. So I can make the butler in my living quarters do everything that I need to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Randomizer Posted March 4, 2011 Share Posted March 4, 2011 The Cocoa version that is being public beta tested doesn't allow access to the scripts. It's just one big application. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgeoning Battle Gamma Walker White Posted March 4, 2011 Author Share Posted March 4, 2011 Are you sure? Right click the application and look at "Show Package Contents". See if the scripts are in the folder that pops up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Spidweb Posted March 4, 2011 Share Posted March 4, 2011 The Avadon dialogue script is at the size limit the game allows. You can't add to it. You should be able to tweak the scripts in the other zones. In future titles, the scripts will be in the application bundle. They can be edited, though I'm not sure how editing files in the bundle affects the app's ability to run. - Jeff Vogel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgeoning Battle Gamma Walker White Posted March 4, 2011 Author Share Posted March 4, 2011 Originally Posted By: Spidweb The Avadon dialogue script is at the size limit the game allows. You can't add to it. You should be able to tweak the scripts in the other zones. This is what I suspected given what was happening. Is the size limit imposed in the game software, or is there another configuration file? If it is the former, doesn't this violate the entire principle of data-driven design? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgeoning Battle Gamma Walker White Posted March 4, 2011 Author Share Posted March 4, 2011 Originally Posted By: Spidweb In future titles, the scripts will be in the application bundle. They can be edited, though I'm not sure how editing files in the bundle affects the app's ability to run. It should not be any different than in the current design, where it is in a folder. The entire purpose of the bundle is that these resources can be swapped out (e.g. for localization). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Tyranicus Posted March 4, 2011 Share Posted March 4, 2011 An OS X application is essentially a folder. In fact, if you look at it from Windows, it even shows up as a folder. Editing files inside the application works the same way as if those files were not inside the application bundle to begin with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Spidweb Posted March 4, 2011 Share Posted March 4, 2011 "This is what I suspected given what was happening. Is the size limit imposed in the game software, or is there another configuration file? If it is the former, doesn't this violate the entire principle of data-driven design?" It's imposed in the game software. It might violate the entire principle of data-driven design, but it is entirely in line with the principle of Release the Game Some Time In This Century. Or, to put it another way, I can't justify spending some of my desperately limiting time to enable unknown third parties to hack the app. I'm sure this makes at least a little bit of sense. By the way, you won't be able to hack the Mac App Store version for sure. This is an Apple issue ... All App Store (and iOS) apps have checksums baked in to prevent any alteration. Not my fault. - Jeff Vogel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Slawbug Posted March 4, 2011 Share Posted March 4, 2011 Four and twenty checksums, baked in an app. Ahahaha... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody Soul of Wit Posted March 5, 2011 Share Posted March 5, 2011 Originally Posted By: Tyranicus An OS X application is essentially a folder. In fact, if you look at it from Windows, it even shows up as a folder. Editing files inside the application works the same way as if those files were not inside the application bundle to begin with. To see the folder on a Mac, just right-click the app and choose Show Package Contents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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