Easygoing Eyebeast Dintiradan Posted December 30, 2009 Share Posted December 30, 2009 Arghhhhhhhhh. Never thought I'd use this avatar again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Dantius Posted December 30, 2009 Share Posted December 30, 2009 I will be taking bets on days elapsed until a 1984 reference comes up, just for the record. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Callie Posted December 30, 2009 Share Posted December 30, 2009 For some reason, this reminds me of what 19th century Republicans used to do in New York. They'd make sure that the roads outside of the cities weren't snowplowed, and by doing so they prevented people in rural areas from voting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Slawbug Posted December 30, 2009 Share Posted December 30, 2009 19th century Republicans? Umm, Ohio, anybody? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Dantius Posted December 30, 2009 Share Posted December 30, 2009 There are books filled with the stuff people do to keep other people from voting. Literacy tests for blacks, anyone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Acky Posted December 30, 2009 Share Posted December 30, 2009 Quick, attack them and steal their oil! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Callie Posted December 30, 2009 Share Posted December 30, 2009 Originally Posted By: Slarty 19th century Republicans? Umm, Ohio, anybody? What do you mean? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Dantius Posted December 30, 2009 Share Posted December 30, 2009 Like, say, 21st century republicans. And democrats. The Minnesota senate election had some of the most egregious vote-stealing this side of Soviet Russia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Slawbug Posted December 31, 2009 Share Posted December 31, 2009 I guess the voting repression issue is kind of like the software piracy issue: you can't really eliminate it, so you want to keep it minimal enough that it doesn't interfere with democracy/profit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Alorael at Large Posted December 31, 2009 Share Posted December 31, 2009 Unlike software piracy, there's an immediate and aware victim. We should be able to keep it as minimal as, say, murder. —Alorael, who also does not like the idea of likening voting fraud and suppression to piracy in that software piracy is, in fact, a huge loss to the market. Were voting that bad, there would pretty much never be statistical significance to election margins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan Monroe Posted December 31, 2009 Share Posted December 31, 2009 Honest errors in counting large election votes almost always far outweigh intentional ones. It is said that no matter how many times a recount is done, you will always get a different number. Sometimes that number is very different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan inni Posted December 31, 2009 Share Posted December 31, 2009 Originally Posted By: Monroe Honest errors in counting large election votes almost always far outweigh intentional ones. It is said that no matter how many times a recount is done, you will always get a different number. Sometimes that number is very different. yes but this isn't a recount its suspending parliament to avoid loss of votes, the lack of people caring is odd for a democracy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Rowen Posted December 31, 2009 Share Posted December 31, 2009 Quote: the lack of people caring is odd for a democracy. People caring? I'll only believe that they exist when you shoot one and strap it to the hood of your car next to the sashquatch you shot earlier in the day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Dintiradan Posted December 31, 2009 Author Share Posted December 31, 2009 Canada is an apathetic democracy (turnout for the last federal election was below sixty percent), but that's not quite the case here. It's to stop the other Members of Parliament from acting. The last prorogation happened right after the 2008 election -- Harper didn't have the confidence of the House, and the other parties were prepared to form a coalition (the Rick Mercer Report had of the situation). By calling a hiatus, the Conservatives were able to weather the storm -- the chronically unstable Liberals lost confidence in their own leader, and they ended up voting for the next Speech from the Throne. By proroguing again, the Conservatives are able to kill an investigation regarding whether or not the Canadian military handed insurgents over to Afgan officials, knowing they would be tortured. This has the potential of being bigger than AdScam, the scandal that ousted the Liberals from power. The difference is that Martin called a public inquiry, while the Conservatives were very dismissive of Colvin's allegations. The Conservatives are also very good at timing their unpopular announcements, with this one hitting print New Year's Eve. With an IED killing four soldiers and a journalist, you'd have to read far past the front page to even know about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast The Mystic Posted January 1, 2010 Share Posted January 1, 2010 Originally Posted By: To Sleep (Alorael) Were voting that bad, there would pretty much never be statistical significance to election margins. Don't worry, there will always be statistical significance, but it'll be about as significant as exit polls that predict that a candidate will win a two-thirds majority despite only three people interviewed for the poll. Quote: I need no introduction: the lack of people caring is odd for a democracy. Dintiradan: Canada is an apathetic democracy you want apathy and lack of caring in a democracy? Visit the U.S. in early November--or even better, during a primary election. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Swimmin' Salmon Posted January 1, 2010 Share Posted January 1, 2010 I read the title and figured I wouldn't care about the subject. No surprises. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan inni Posted January 1, 2010 Share Posted January 1, 2010 Originally Posted By: Poached Salmon I read the title and figured I wouldn't care about the subject. No surprises. so much for strapping you to my car next to big foot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Dantius Posted January 1, 2010 Share Posted January 1, 2010 Originally Posted By: The Mystic you want apathy and lack of caring in a democracy? Visit the U.S. in early November--or even better, during a primary election. ...because having barely half of eligible voters show up and vote couldn't possibly be apathy, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast The Mystic Posted January 2, 2010 Share Posted January 2, 2010 Originally Posted By: Dantius Originally Posted By: The Mystic you want apathy and lack of caring in a democracy? Visit the U.S. in early November--or even better, during a primary election. ...because having barely half of eligible voters show up and vote couldn't possibly be apathy, right? Something like that, yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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