Some thoughts about Shapers World

[Itsuart, the altered]

Before start let me refresh yours memory with some historical information:

1. G1: Sucia Island is far from an unknown continent

2. G1: Geneforge destroyed but some knowledge taken by some agents

3 G1: Maybe Overpowered Shaper established his kingdom.

3.1 G1: "But the world is young. There are many unsettled areas...then you set off into the woods"

3.2 G1: Owerpowered One is _MOST_ powerfull being("The Shaper council soon realizes that you are too strong for them")

3.3 G1: He have a horde of creations and they are all TOTALY OBEDIENT. His life is very long.("You form your nation in the wilderness, populated by creations, your creations, multitudes of them, sprung out of your power and will. They live under you, under your absolute control, as it should be. Your kingdom lasts as long as you live.

And you live for a very, very long time.")

4. G3: Sholai contacted and Shapers have friendship with them.

5. G3: Shapers rule two continents and Terrestia is less setled one("The Ashen Isles are a distant province of Terrestia, which is the wilder and less settled of the two continents ruled by the Shapers.")

6. Without help of Geneforge(read as ur-drakons(pfuh! only ur-drakons! Alot of them were slain by me in G2)) Shapers at least equal to rebels. Even with it's help rebels doesn't have advantage over Shapers.

7. G1,2,3: Shapers mastered ultimate techniques to control their creations but even they time after time loose it.

8. G1,2,3: altering being makes it more arrogant and mad.

9. G2,3: Drakons can alter themself. They intellegent enought to begin rebel agains rebels.

 

Now lets look at situation in G3.

I)According to 3,6,5 : it's very possibly that Overpowered One(OO) is in Terrestia. And I'm shure rebels will try to kill him to "free" his creations. All their attempts will fail and OO can deside to begin hunt rebels. I think if Shaper Council will humbly ask him for help he will. According to 5 and 3.2 his help will be lethal to rebels.

Rebelion will be terminated.

II) If OO doesn't exists or it's not in Terrestia. Anyway he isn't in game. Then lets look at 5&6: If Council will send force from another continent(and they shurely will) rebelion will be terminated. Of course they can cowardly make Terrestia Barren. But I strongly believe they'll not. And with this help rebelion will be terminated.

III) If Shapers in Terrestia will be killed.

Look at 7,8,9 and remember rogue gazers from G2. I'm shure soon without enemy on the sight creations will start fight with each other for power. Shapers from not-Terrestia can use it and strike hard at moment when too intellegent creations will be weakened by "civil war".

IV) Without "civil war"

Shapers from Terrestia killed. Shapres from main land land enormous number of spawners in Terrestia and while rebels fighting with complitly rogue hordes prepearing to war. And with one mighty blow wipe out everything in Terrestia.

Summary:

Rebels will be killed in any way. Drakes, Drakons and Gazers will be haunted and killed one by one. Serviles will be replaced with new kind totaly obedient. Terrestia will become wasteland. Anyway living in the continent will be impossible.

 

Shapers rule is unquestionable. And evidence of their's laws wisdom will be Tirrestia and mindless war happened there.

 

What do you think about all that?

[Contra]

I think that it just woin't be that easy to rescue Terrestia by sending reenfrocements from the other continents. For all we know that continent might have issues aswell, not to mention that the force in Terrestia can easily reproduce itself. It takes years to train a skilled Shaper, the Darkons can just shape up a new set of Drakons to shape for them.

 

The Overpowered One may exit and may interfere in G4, which would be intresting, I just doubt it will happen.

[Vicheron]

I think the Shapers have some sort of secret weapon like a doomsday device that can wipe out all the creations, maybe a secret genetic weakness that they've programmed into all creations. Once they've wiped out all the creations, they start from scratch.

[Dolphin]

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Originally written by vicheron:
I think the Shapers have some sort of secret weapon like a doomsday device that can wipe out all the creations, maybe a secret genetic weakness that they've programmed into all creations. Once they've wiped out all the creations, they start from scratch.

Possibly, but not all creations are made by the Shapers. Drakons now have the ability to shape, and some creations can breed. The Shapers would only be able to destroy what they made, which would still leave a lot of Ur-Drakons running around.

[Vicheron]

All the creations originated either directly or indirectly from the Shapers and all their Shaping knowledge are from the Shapers so they could have inadvertently passed the built in genetic weakness into all their creations if it's hidden within a gene that they all needs like the gene for intelligence.

[Delicious Vlish]

One would assume that the Godlike One would either hold Awakened Views, or would be in it entirely for his or her self. Remember, in G1, the Awakened groomed you to serve their ideals, and prompted the use of the Geneforge. Of course, there is a chance of a Shaper using it that was non aligned.

 

In which case, the Council and the Rebels would both be in for a LOT of trouble.

 

If we follow the Awakened line of thinking, which is about balance, the Godlike one would see the scales tipping and would lay into both sides. While he or she probably not utterly destroy them, he could fight them to a standstill. He has something the Ur Drakkons don't... Shaper training and tactics. He has something regular Shapers do not have. Godlike power. He could easily wear down both sides till there was no choice but to make peace and lay down arms.

 

If we follow the line of thinking of a non aligned power hungry Godlike being... This could easily be his or her chance... TO RULE THE WORLD!!! Pinky, are you thinking what I am thinking?

[Vicheron]

I would think that the madness and powerlust caused by the use of the geneforge would make the overpowered one abandon all his ideals about creation equality.

[Itsuart, the altered]

About discipline wand:"All creations are made to be vulnerable to certain poisons. This wand sprays a venom which is deadly to creations, but harmless to humans and natural beings"

And discipline wand give alot of damage to every creation in Geneforge series.Ur-drakons, gazers and so one too. And it's none unexpectedness in this: drakons came from halfdrayk, halfdrakon in G2(don't remember it's name). So they still have vulnerability to the poison.

So it is really way to terminate rebels. Say Shapers can use artillery and airforce to bombard enemy territories with poison bombs

[offtop]

I will be gladly play to "Shapers War": kind of war strategy .

[/offtop]

Delicious Vlish, reread 3.3. And remember one of the G1 endings: OO killed Shapers, ones of his kind, and I don't think that serviles or drakons will be treated differently. Awakened line impossible.

[Itsuart, the altered]

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Originally written by Contra:
I think that it just woin't be that easy to rescue Terrestia by sending reenfrocements from the other continents. For all we know that continent might have issues aswell, not to mention that the force in Terrestia can easily reproduce itself. It takes years to train a skilled Shaper, the Darkons can just shape up a new set of Drakons to shape for them.

The Overpowered One may exit and may interfere in G4, which would be intresting, I just doubt it will happen.

No doubt, this will not be easy.We know that Second Shapers Continent(SSC) is bigger, more settled and far from Terrestia. This means that Rebels don't have enough force there to hold Shapers to help Terrestia for long. Shapers from SSC should not immediatily send all forces they have, to fight rogues but spend time to plan and doing research. And they quite confident on this in contrast to Rebels. And I don't think that Shapers with their centuries-old history of creation making and controling will not find the way to rapidly eradicate theirs foes.

[Student of Trinity]

I have always thought that G2 assumes that the Geneforge was destroyed without being used in G1, so that there is no 'Overpowered One' in existence. Just as G3 assumes a loyalist or unaligned ending to G2. I suppose there is some loophole for a geneforge-enhanced character from G1 to be ruling an isolated empire somewhere, while G2 and G3 go on; but it would seem pretty strange that nobody in G2 mentions this important fact while giving their history lessons.

[Guardian of Eternity]

SoT is right. It's important to remember that Jeff picks and chooses which endings he wants to carry through to the next game. I forget which ending carried through from G1 to G2, but the point stands.