Ineffable Wingbolt Arch-Mage Solberg Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 I know that she wasn't found innocent just not guilty, but I have kinda been following this case for the past 3 years and (just from what I heard on the news) I thought that the prosecution had a very strong case. Now I'm hearing that they really didn't have a strong enough case. What are your thoughts on this? Post #569 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Dantius Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 Was this the one abut the student in Italy who supposedly killed her roommate? IIRC, the case against her was basically "she was acting strangely an suspiciously the day of the murder and didn't have a solid alibi", but she lacked any sort of means or motive. I didn't follow it too closely. Court cases should be decided by jury and judge, not by media or popular opinion, so I tend not to buy into legal sensationalism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Callie Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 Suspicious? Yes. Guilty beyond a reasonable doubt? Well... ...the media's fixation with stuff like this gets annoying, I think. Edit: @Dantius - this case was about the apparent murder of a two-year-old. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Aoslare Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 This case was an issue of principle. Did she do it? Yeah, most certainly. The circumstantial evidence is incredibly damning. The problem is that that's it. And since it's so easy to create suspicious circumstances, we CAN'T convict based on circumstantial evidence. Otherwise, the government (or other powerful organizations) would have the means to easily frame problematic persons and thus use the judicidal system to lock them up unjustly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unflappable Drayk Death Knight Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 I think that there are way too many distractions in american society, this being one. If its not charlie sheen acting like an idiot, its someone else making a problem. There are serious ones though. If they have the evidence then justice will be served. I dont see why its taking so long. I followed the van dersloot case completely as i really found him to be an evil piece of garbage that thought he was tough stuff. He got his though, thankgod. With the casey trial, its really hard to say. She probably did it, but there is always reasonable doubt, at least with her. Just wait, when this one blows over, some bigger jerk will come out and take their place. It never ends, and the media is loving it, meh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Lilith Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 The prosecution really screwed up by dropping the child neglect charges because they didn't want to leave the jury the option of convicting on a lesser charge if they were reluctant to convict on homicide charges. As we can see, this prosecutorial strategy backfired. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Aoslare Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 Especially since they DID convict her on a lesser charge. Why take that charge out but leave other lesser charges in? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast keira Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 back in my day if a person killed someone else we went vigilante on his or her ass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Jerakeen Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 And then on each other, presumably? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unflappable Drayk Death Knight Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 Honestly, sometimes i believe an eye for an eye might not be so bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Alorael at Large Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 That might lead to a harsher justice system, but I don't think it would be more functional or safer, and it certainly wouldn't be simpler. If you gouge out someone's eye, you get your eye gouged out. Fair enough. But what if they've got one eye and you have two? Their one is worth more to them than one of your two; they're blind, and you've just lost depth perception. Even one of two eyes can have unequal value if one if you is a desk jockey and the other a cab driver. Adjudicating non-vigilante eye-for-eye exchanges is probably worse than just coming up with punishments for various crimes. —Alorael, who is also pretty sure that he wants perpetrators of assault and battery locked away until they can be safely returned to society, not just assaulted and battered. That's just a recipe for having bruised, angry people cruising for more victims. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Dintiradan Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 Obligatory Fiddler on the Roof quote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Dantius Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 Originally Posted By: It's a trap back in my day if a person killed someone else we went vigilante on his or her ass People till do this today, in places like tribal Afghanistan. It's called a blood feud, and those are baaaad news. Luckily, most societies on the world have discovered the social contract, which exists precisely to stop behaviors such as that. It's a really neat invention! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Aoslare Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 I think the social contract involves not killing someone in the first place, more than avoiding vigilantism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Enraged Slith Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 Regardless of what really happened, the way the media handled this case was pretty disgusting. I didn't pay much attention to this case, but I remember a news anchor becoming particularly indignant over what the defendant wore to the trial that day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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