Tarson

I think it needs the user to focus and falling down into a bottemless pit is a bit of a distraction.

He dies before A4. A new king called Starus or something comes in.

Thanks for the Advice. I gave myself some melee weapon skill a few mintutes after my last post. As for good attack priest spells I have gone to shayder and joined the anama so 3 targets a turn with smite will have to do untill divine fire. I think Battle rage level 3 hastens so I will use that.

As I said I have not put anything into weapons skills. I have put 2 into Hardiness and defence. Should I put some of my skill points into weapons?

I am only using preist spells. As for traits I have good education and toughness. I havent put anything into weapons skills, I have joined the anama to put my priest spell level at 8, arcane lore at 7,potion making at 3, tool use at 3, nature at 4, 3 luck and 4 int. I have 17 skill points to spend. Should I put it into priest, luck, nature or weapons?

I am starting a A3 game With one pc and no magic. I plan to join the anama for the extra priest spells and extra crystal, but any thoughts on beyond that would be nice.

Its 6 canisters and talking options change slightly. If your going to use more then 6 take all of them. In g1-3 days ment nothing. It may have changed for g4-5 but I dont think so.

I dont know how appilcation for this is done so ill just ask. Can I be in this game?

It was good, but as far as I am consered the best thing about it was you could use part of it in the demo. If Jeff makes a new editor with a difrent set-up but lets demo users use part of it it will be just good,if not better.

I dont pretend to understand the nature of the shapers. I will start to think that after I buy g4/5 and play out all the endings. From what I have seen shapers can do both trade and conquest. While they seem to do conquest more they are willing to trade with others.

What geneforge whas that in? I dont remeber it in 1-3, and those are the only ones I have.

Calm down, and we might be able to get a ending to this. We did mention the natives, and they were absorbed not wiped out.

I am (now thinking about it) suprised that the Rebellion didnt try and get the sholai to help, or did and were turned down. If so, why didnt they tell the shapers about the coming Rebellion? As a token of goodwill aid the shapers.

It might just be me but sending waves of creations from holes seems more like something the Rebellion did once.

I think determining reason behind a second war would be to hard as noone knows the true ending to g5. The shapers might not exist anymore, the rebellion could be dead. Or the trajovites might have gained some power. Untill, and I dont think this is going to happen, Jeff tells us what the real ending was, any war that might happen is to uncertin to know a winner.

I have no real reason why the shapers would attack the sholai other then they seem to like conquest. It seems that at some point there will be war. Who will win? The longer they put it of the more chance its the shapers. At the end of g5 in the shaper endings the sholai might win a war, but that power wouldnt last long.

The shapers (i have never seen) probably keep them near him at all times to prevent them from going rogue. I dont think any of the shapers would give an to make rogues and relesing them into an area as its one of, if not the highest laws. And cowering in a hole while the creations kill your oppestion doesnt seem like the kinda thing the shapers would do given their past history

Who said the sholai were bloodthirsty? All I was trying to say was that they would have a good chance at defending them self if it came to it, and given the shapers past history it might come to it. As for the power of 1 shaper, yes shapers are powerfull. But the army you mentioned would have no problems about using illigal creation. put that together with all the journy/food/death/plauge problems the sholai are not in that bad of a fight.

In sheer numbers the sholai could win over the small numbers of underfed shapers. Not realy a victory but how many shapers are there? I was under the idea that there were very few compaired to the area of land the have. And if the sholai population is in the millions they could have an army in the 20 000s with little dificutly. Even if the shapers massed up 1000 I just dont think they are that good. 1. not sure,someone did but it never gave a name( as far as I know). 2. the survivers were melded in with those from the shaper lands.

The shapers would have to pull alot of soilders out of places to take the week trip to the sholai lands. We dont know how much land the sholai have and presumable they have some sort of scouting system. If the shapers send 200 shapers, guardians and agents and it goes on the 1/3 survive of the sholai, even if they could group up the sholai could attack with thousands. Shapers are good, but not that good.

True shapers could make food, but if the trip was thought impossible for so long it has to be a realy long trip and how long does it take before all your shapers run out of essence. Seeing as the would be in the middle of the ocean with no access to a essance pool. They could take essance pods but that would lower food stores. They would reach the sholai land hungrey, low on essance, lost and seperated. The sholai may not have shaping but they will be well fed and energized. And they will have alot more troops due to all the sea borne losses to the shapers.

They had living craft in g1. The shapers could move people over but it took 3 sholai ships and 2 of them sunk. I dont think they could send over enough troops to make the losses on the trip worthwhile. Food would be another problem for both the soilders and the ship. Even if they managed to land some troops they would be lost and seperated. Easy targets for the sholai.

I think they didnt get killed was that the shapers have no way of getting to them. I seem to remeber in g1 someone saying it was to hard to get across the ocean. Why walk knowingly into a stalemate?

I have supported the shapers 90% until I played the full version of g2. I go around talk down to serviles and support shaper rule so I figured that made me a loyalist but I used canisters as well. After my meeting with Barzhal I relized that the Barzanites are the closest thing to meeting my goals. The shapers would still have power, creations would still be 0 class, shaping/magic seemed to have been used by more people, and there were canisters. Its not perfect but what is? As for class I tried the shaper but it didnt have enough health and the guardian didnt have enough magic so i went to the agent and never went back.

There are merchants in rising and gheth unless you have attacked or destroyed something of theirs before. As you joined the servants the takers will be hostile. Leaned Darian ( Darian's Sanctuary),Radiant College,braan(the crags),lindian(march crossroads) and shath(shaths watses) will buy things as well.