lordhoff

Also, I think (it's been quite a while) he's sometimes hard to see and you can't get in - you have to speak through the bars. You might try moving the curser around in the proper cell to see if a dialogue comes up.

Could never bring myself to do that.

There's no tinkers in one? Pretty sure that was added in Two. Looks like "Randomizer" assumed that in his answer, though.

As long as it doesn't disappoint Redbeard or negatively change the ending.

Bwah ha ha! I live to disappoint Redbeard! Actually, I shouldn't talk since I haven't played the game yet and it'll be a while as I am currently in the Divinity series with several games to go but I've developed an attitude. I thought he'd be gone for good and a bit disappointed that he returns - so much could have been done game wise without him - but Avalon III will be my first purchase after I am through and I'm sure I'll have as much fun as I did in the first two.

Thought Avadon II had some dice rolling - in the western port? Memory is not my friend, though so I easily could be wrong.

Red face time: I'm always getting these two rather similar games confused: the game with the dice rolling I remembered wasn't a Spiderweb game at all - it was one of the Eschalon series.

well if you count exiles then 3rd remake series and 2nd trilogy (which won't be remade somewhat likely) continues (partially) where 1st trilogy ended.

well if you count exiles then 3rd remake series and 2nd trilogy (which won't be remade somewhat likely) continues (partially) where 1st trilogy ended.

OK: the next newest from 1 would be "Escape from the Pit", then. That should be what I try.

I tried Avernum1 after playing Avadon 1 and 2 and simply could not get into the game. I think it was just too dated for me. Looking forward to the remade series (second - there's a more recent third, right?).

No he doesn't, he wants a special one. Your character just convinces him it's special

Oh! So he wants a spider plant!

Thought Avadon II had some dice rolling - in the western port? Memory is not my friend, though so I easily could be wrong.

Nice loot for a shaman, what else do you need to consider? There is a non-cmbat option if you are squeamish, but in general kill first, loot, and then question.

Sounds like the enemy I tend to fight against and the reason for Avadon's prior fall.

Get thee to Avadon and find out.

Good answer

Can't believe they brought back Redbeard again; makes a mockery of the prior endings plus, I'm just tired of that old fool. So, what happened to the new bosses after he died/disappeared?

I hesitate to say this because it is just a guess pulled from my butt and I haven't played the game in a while but I recall that on a few occasions, one had to talk to Redbeard to trigger an event and it often wasn't exactly clear. Is it what is happening with you? I don't know but it is simple to try.

I think it's basically a way to make it easier to win.

Hmmm, two crazy mages together, one male, one female. Now THAT could get interesting as they both like over kill.

EDIT: Nathalie and what's his name from II

The old exchange I quoted was about the same picture you shared. Just a light-hearted reference.

Wow! Now his daughter is a powerful mage that got a lot of people killed due to her hate of the keeper. ---- and was that reply/answer real? I mean, was that a joke or was some nut actually serious? Modern times and all that; could be either way.

To get back to topic, the question isn't clear to me. I wouldn't be able to help anyway but I'm thinking that if I'm not sure what you (royalpain88) are wanting, others who can potentially help won't understand either. I think it needs some clarification.

I talked about it at length in this old thread -- http://spiderwebforu...poilers-within/

 

...I can't get why anyone would want to attack Redbeard. Once you get past how his various opponents have grievances against his rule, the question then comes: what happens after you overthrow him? And the answer seems to be, at best, a new war of conquest by the Tawon Empire (in which the Pact countries lose), or at worst new wars with no end in sight. Edgwyn has the right of it.

 

You might justify pro-Pact, anti-Redbeard on the theory that he's too old and weak to hold it together...but I'm told if you fight him you learn the opposite. I did try to favor more power being returned to Hanvar's Council, more transparency with the Pact, but actually overthrowing Avadon or breaking up the pact doesn't make sense to me.

Well, it's hindsight but Redbeard just disappears and does nothing if you support him and the outcome is worse.

I thought the same way when I first played Av-II. Even if a pact citizen but not having to become Avadon, it would be fun interacting with the pact, Avadon, farlanders, and rebels without the burden of being an agent of Avadon. So many possibilities.

Red Beard's gone but his youth extending magic is somewhere -----

That's one thing I like about these sorts of games - so many ways of doing things. The above never even occurred to me.

Honestly i took a whole week trying to kill the first redbeard. Im not joking, i went for classes with the battle still on. Wasnt anywhere near rewarding either but i cant remember. With dheless's and protus's help redbeard was fairly easy. Just had to have someone to tank him. As a fighter Yoshira died easilly so had to be placed away. Speed burst,circle of fire,ressurection scrolls(if you dont mind the abscence of the medal) and ensnaring turrets were particularly usefull.

And yah betraying odil was really hard to do. He seemed like a good person. I actually stopped playing for a while when it came down to that choice.

Siding with dheless didnt feel very good. I dont like betraying people as a whole. But i got where he was comming from. And with the council trying to take over avadon i felt slightly more justified. Siding with redbeard was pointless really. Better having him die there. At least he will be remembered still slightly strong/powerfull.

I beat Redbeard (alas, I play on normal) in a couple of tries but, I have to ask, how did ensnaring turrets help? I mainly used the fire turret and healing turrets. Throughout the game, I could never see much advantage with the ensnaring turret so I didn't even consider using it. I kept feeling it must have a purpose and you may be someone that knows its capabilities (I obviously don't).

If anything, Avadon 2's Redbeard is a harder fight than Avadon 1's, even if it doesn't take quite as long.

 

 

 

Well, by the point in the game where you first get that choice, it was possible to have met another person who had done the same thing. If seeing what had happened to them wasn't enough to scare you off...

The problem is, no way to know what is safe and what is not. As far as I can tell, the only unsafe item is the water found at one or two places. Seems the potions that restore health, etc are safe.

As usual, I tried each. The one in Av-I that I was most comfortable with was staying loyal to Redbeard. In Av-II, I felt very poorly siding with Dheless, the rebels, and with Redbeard - pro pact/anti-Redbeard was the most comfortable for me. I REALLY felt bad when I double crossed (memory problem) the general in charge of the anti-rebel forces.

The autoave on mine still produced the dagger filled bag. I guess it depends if Utelektr went into a new region since it started. Oh, and I wasn't very clear on one point Startibus - the non-solution I was talking about was to continue the game without using the junk bag. I'm sure that if I had not continued playing to the point that all my saved games produced dagger filled bags and had a prior save that it would have worked. The next game was fine - no similar problems.

http://spiderwebforums.ipbhost.com/index.php?/topic/21952-how-to-fix-the-junk-file-filled-bug/

Seems we had the same problem and the same non-solution. My opinion is that it's a game bug - corrupted saves wouldn't produce exactly the same problem IMO.

Oh yes, that's very much true. Thankyou, Tyranicus, I thought I had missed some blog-post or an announcement of three more Avernum games. In hindsight, that would be a bit silly, seeing as how Avernum 6 basically concludes everything.

 

At least I can defend with the fact that I was 75% asleep by the time I wrote that.

It was my bad; I was nodding off too when I wrote that and just, as pointed out, continued the numbering system; Spiderweb isn't numbering it that way.