Spartan-117

Yea where is a link to this trainer, while being "god" is boring sometimes(too easy) being able to go drakon sounds so fun!

I understand what your saying, I mean getting asked was irritating, but in cases were it could be useful to jump off...and you can't... That's irritating, in Geneforge that's okay, cause usually you don't need to in any situation...their just aren't cliffs And yes some of the Avernum graphics are a little fake, some of them did give it a feel and looked awesome, I found the demons, dervishes, and ect looked way cooler.

Okay I've seen many of you consider Avernum 5 to be great, that's fine, here's what I thought after trying it out. In mu opinion, the only thing going for Avernum 5, is the redone combat system, and plotline, other than that, I was hideously disappointed in it for one reason. The fact that the whole game, looks, feels, and is, Geneforge, I am aware Jeff put the Geneforge engine into avernum, but it just made it lose its feel of avernum you know? You couldn't jump off cliffs anymore(was especially disgusted by that one), you couldn't do so many things that were doable in the others! When you walked you looked screwy, I was especially disgusted by all the graphics, I mean come on, the hulking armor-clad dervishes turned into the lame-looking guardian model? Their supposed to look intimidating not... Bleh I'd give it a 5/10 out of the whole series, but I wouldn't bother spending my money on this. The combat system was great, the storyline was good, and the look and atmosphere stunk, this would have been an AMAZING game had it felt and looked like Avernum, not Averforge.

Alright another question How do I convert scenarios to PC? i.e mac-->pc

Ohhhhh Now I know what your talking about Thanks! Dunno if itll work right now, gotta go to school

Quote: Originally written by Ishad Nha: Do you know about the Compatibility Wizard? Just right click on the program when in Windows Explorer and look at the Compatibility tab. No I haven't heard of it Don't you mean in the control panel?

I have windows XP and I cannot get for anything text to properly display on Blades of Exile There will be...simply nothing there... Can someone help here?

You don't listen very well do you? No it could not have been #%#$%# shaped because Avernum is an entirely different UNIVERSE! There are NO SHAPERS! Stop coming up with stupid ideas on how they could not be connected, Jeff has made neither to be connected, to be entirely different universes, what you keep trying to do is the equivalent of joining like say Warcraft 3 to Warhammer 40k, that doesn't work and is retarded, Can I ask one of the admin to lock this topic? Gah

Accidental double post, please delete

Quote: Originally written by slothman32: 2 questions. First, is it possible to get the "create Fyora" canister in the Thorny Woods while still being able to do either the "kill rebels" or "free rebels" quests? I want to get it so I can make my fyora level 3 to allow a cryoa creation. I did before but I had to kill them then. If I just sneek in, avoid dying from them and escape will that be enough? Similar to what I can do at one of the 2 bridges. Can I come back without the 2 quests be "disrupted," i.e. not allowable for some reasons? Second, I went to Arth to tell Coale about him but for some reason he just says the the passage is blocked and trading with them would upset the Kazg leader. It worked last time but not this time. This game I hadn't completed Tribal Woods, Quite Marshes, Southbridge, and Northbridge, and. I know that isn't it because, as a test game, I did finish those levels but it still failed. What did I do differently? Number 1: No you cant, you either have to kill them or not, there is no way to sneak in. Number 2: Nothing, that happens every time

Quote: Originally written by Txgangsta: The secret doesn't pertain to anything, because im claiming that Geneforge came first. Avernum is Geneforge's future, not past. Didnt you listen to anything I said? I said that because Jeff Vogel doesnt try to create a connection between the two it doesnt exist. Whether or not Avernum came out in 2003 or Geneforge came out in 2002 does not matter, those are when the game was finished and released, it has nothing to do with "Geneforge came first, Avernum second" they have no connection and thus neither came first or second. In Geneforge the history is simple, the secret explains where the Shapers came from, the Shapers had ruled for at least a milinia, intelligent creations and forbidden secrets get loose. From their war insues, that is the history of Geneforge, their are no freakin vahnatai sliths and nephils. Get this idea of "Avernum is future of Geneforge" out of your head, there IS NO connection stop trying to make one up. Gah >_>

Quote: Originally written by Mythrael: What secret? If you want to find that go get the FAQ, it tells you how to do it, not what it is, but it explains enough to know the idea of Averforge is stupid

The idea is stupid, they are entirely different universes, there is nothing to suggest that either might have come before the "other" because they are entirely different universes made by Jeff, to try and link them together is retarded, we do not need any fyoras "evolving" into goblins or whatever you said! Terrestria is one continent yes but a BIG one, many of the concepts in Avernum conflict with those in Geneforge, some guy could not just discover "essence" and my goodness Trakovites becoming the empire? Idiocy There are many other continents out in the Geneforge world, but they have not been revealed because they do not pertain to the freakin story and Jeff does not care, why would he worry about making up other continents if the focus was on one? Which shows my second point, you are trying to make up a plot line exploitation to connect Avernum and Geneforge, yet if there was one Jeff would put in both games evidence that if you figured it out would connect the too. He has not in any way tried to connect the two, and thus a connection does not exist. You are also forgetting the big secret of Sucia Island, that disproves any connection as far as I am concerned. Can I ask this topic get locked? It isn't going anywhere.

Lock Please

Quote: Originally written by Lepus timidus: Darkling: Quote: I really do not believe that any political things such as democrats have any correlation to Geneforge, why? I don't see how rebelling against a tyrannical government automatically makes one a radical left winger. Were the American revolutionaries Communists? Thats not what I meant, you missed my point entirely, I was saying that democrats, a political faction have NOTHING to do with the rebel or Shaper faction, I pointed freakin out why. I fail to see how someone could bring some sort of correlation to them. Republicans and Democrats are about Saving Resources/Using them or whatever, Shapers and Rebels are for Destroying Rogues/Gaining Freedom So how do those too relate? They don't

Quote: Originally written by SlaughteringSevile: Arrg, people refer to the rebellion as the drakons lead, but IF the unbound didn't need to be created and if the drakons didn't lead the rebellion it would be alot better, i bet that the average human/servile in the rebellion doesn't like the unbound project and the drakons, honestly, do you think that if you met a giant, walking, fire-breathing, cruel, greedy lizard i don't think they would be on your friends list Have you forgotten Ghaldring? He has considered all the moral possibilities, and he isn't an evil cruel greedy lizard, as in all cases he is shown to be wise. He is still wrong however, Khryk had the EXACT idea of how it should go about, instead of wiping each other out, reach a stalemate. In all cases the Shaper's treat HUMANS well that are more useful to them then lowly peasants that are poor, I see a recurring theme, the more powerful people tend to mistreat those weaker then them, I have not seen many exceptions, the shapers seem good, but in all cases to rise up and overthrow them for anarchy would probably be better as hopefully indivisuals liek Ghaldring and Khyrk or some other person would eventually lead to an overall better society The rebels use of the Unbound is wrong, completely wrong, survival is good, but to kill EVERYONE except for those poor sods who get to eke out an existance in an apocalyptic world with Unbound and rogues wandering around? That is evil, it is not right And it depends on the view points of many, the drakons threaten the shapers yes, but how much better would the rebels have done with overall less need for something like the Unbound if the Drakons had allowed the rebels to shape more and had they fought along with the humans and serviles You will note that drayks won't fight with the humans and serviles quite as often, its mostly humans and serviles paying the butcher bill in fighting and death, do you see many drayks dying along with them? No I think if there were less idiots like Sallasar and more like Ghaldring and they helped more the war would have gone more favorably and I would mosr definately side with rebels, and even then since the rebels are making the Unbound side with them anyway, better than being annhilated. Rebels are better than Shapers overall, Litalia stopped being quite so extreme in her ways of fighting in G4 but even then as the saying goes "All is fair in love and war." In our American Civil war they did not follow the rules of war, they did not sit there and say "Okay children we are going to play nice" They did everything they could to hurt the enemy, they used every nasty trick in the book, using scorched earth, driving away game, generally doing whatever it took to drive the confeds into submission. In all cases, being extreme is not nice, but in the face of pushing everything to a better world with freedom for all creations, yes just not to the point of the Unbound. Doomsday things are never acceptable to win a war. The Trakovites are idiots, get rid of the use of Shaping in war sounds better, but abolishing it? Stupidity, Shaping can be used for enourmous good if you did a few things... -No self shaping -No shaping in war -Absolutely no creating new species without great deliberation -No shaping of intelligent creations without thought on the overall impact, same with above -Used shaping to improve technology for the better(Yes there are machines, using a hybrid of shaping and magic and mechanical machinery) The Awakened might be dead, but they had something in their philosophy that impressed me the want of equality, if there was ever to be a government that would work that would have to exist between serviles/drayks/humans/drakons And instead of a Shaper Council, let it be a Council of the best of the races in the council to lead, ect ect. I am out of thoughts and need to think some more, lots of crap I just unloaded.

I really do not believe that any political things such as democrats have any correlation to Geneforge, why? Our politicians are for governing our society and nation and for making decisions. Shapers are for continuing their rule and research and wiping out the rogues who challenge their authority Rebels are for gaining their freedom at any cost How are those related? I mean come on guys...

Oh dear, the link Dikiyoba posted had two character editors for which I hoped to get artifact componets with however I downloaded Worf the Cats editor and placed the scripts within the data folder and uhhhhh...forgot to back up the files, the editor causes the game to crash. Can someone post with a link to working files files? Oh wait, don't bother anyone I've fixed the problem.

I have a question about where to find all the artifact componets because I drove myself crazy trying to find blood poison, unmelted ice, ect. I'm sure many people know how annoying it is to have the recipe, know what you need for it...and your short ONE ingredient...To me this is the most annoying thing in the world! I'm absolutly positive I spelled component in here wrong at least once.

Roivas I am currently playing as a warrior which you would think woudn't be too hard...buuuut... and it's DarkLING not dark LIGHT...jeez...

Hey guys I just barely got G4 but I have a problem, you see all the other Geneforge games I get get through without much difficulty (except for the places with super tough monsters)however In G4 I'm always struggling to get anywhere and I'm always this little...wimp...So for those of you that got really powerful (WITHOUT CHEATING)! Can you give me some pointers PLEASE!