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What are leaving me to die ? NO!!!!! that 's not possible!!! wait it is a discussion not reality i mean we can take sides in a arguments and in a discussion a discussion us a way to express or feelings and away to make relationships on the friendly side it can be a battle field where powerful wizards soldiers and creations of all types kill each others but it has a certain limit .

Tarkov learend a way to control his impulsions that is quite unusuall quality in a man so even with power he sees that he is not all powerfull and stays open and a man of his word . I will kill him on 99°/° of chances.

What do think about the shaper/rebel war and who would you be in that war? what would be your choices? And what do you think about war.

KK thanks.

Great for you surley he was a man of his word but he stole the shapers secrets and killed my shaper more than 3425 times and he let goatchesse smother him self with his power, what a rat he was! Sorry i know that i get over the line this time but i am only discribing what is on my mind after all goatchesse won't give his part of the bargen.

The first shapers wars angainst other pepole invovled creations such as artilas, fyoras, battle creation like thads olso battle bettas and shades . The other creations were not created then. But you know those spiky violet things in the arena and resech centers that quep from attacking direcly in face to face with the artilas, would they be use as barbed wire or not?

I wonder what are really made living tools out of so as chitin amour and others like torn batons and those plants that live in caves and that give you life .

Yes so peasants and soldiers would run to me for help and would run to other enemies of yours so you are only augmenting my ranks and others. Muhhaaaa you lose.

Glaaks are fast, strong and reliable to slow down any troublesome enemy fyoras, cryoas, romers and artilas would spit fire acid and globules of ice, battle alphas would rip a part any thing in it's paths and series of battle betas, you wouldn't to know. But what sorts of defenses would be there to slow down an enemy running beating down turrets and other creations. what sort of wire would stop them? or is it those spiky violet things that you see in the arena that lay a screen between you and the artilas?

But do you think that rebels and shapers will kill themselves eternally? Some shapers want to deal with the rebel orders, so we would agree that shapers on the long term would accept rebels and eventually creations rights...but in the short term a lot of protests would happen and pepole would fight each other. But ET the shapers and rebels once you are trying so desperately to put a non ending war will deal with all means so watch out ! And mind probe as often as you can: (that is what i do to humans i mind probe them from the lower part of the body you known and then to it's brain starts crunching !!!!!) And i have a question what would you be in geneforge? If you are a leader what type of government would you make, and what would you do?once a character in geneforge and no not a real character. (Join me or die!!!)

i think that is true only if it was a non lasting conflict then your empire would last as for mine it might crumple to pieces as any empire because it is based on an conflict, shielding the weak and poor form tellogulor and making him look evil so i could become like a tyrant killing people and oppressing them, who knows? Tellogulor could be a better ruler than and kill me for my ill minded self . Empires always fell and that the way it is.

I listen to Daniel powter when i die in AV on my ipod and yeah!!!! that what they are for, fooks.

Are we obliged to post ? Any way i think that geneforge 4 spells are better they look relly real.

No about those wolfes with six legs.

In response to the last pages of if canisters are real i would open a debate about war against me and tellogullor. Would you support one of us for our beliefs on our new order support us in many ways destroy one or the tow of us or look a distance over the battlefield or encourage us to kill one an other. Evil Martian vs Imperator tellogulor http://www.waroftheworldsonline.com/jwmartianconcept.jpg VS http://www.napoleonicsociety.com/images/Empereur.jpg Who will win the battle? (read attentively the ""if were canister were real") And what type of government would you put in place?

But we should tell the trakovites the truth should we?

how about arenas they surely convert the violence into a horrid game ? Any away the shaper society is based on killing of entire species and hundreds of or fellows just like in or society? Did we not used the nazis to invent spaces crafts? So canister users would some time like any human leader augment tensions between countries or fraction to develop a war. In this society people are bored and in constant search for amusements. That is something that we h take in account before trying to stop war. "I would be glad to join the tellogulites to share the wonders of self shaping or not and would be against him and search of an new leader". Now you see through the upper paragraph how people think, Imperator Tellogulor, people hate being bored so they will take any side to take away their boredom it doesn't mater which side they are in there is now good or evil in a planet full off hypocrites and self centered people . So in that case i wouldn't join any of you or i will to seek an amusement : Do you understand ? Tell me if i should make my self clear. BUT through war some times like the vikings invade northern Europe for the basic needs of people like water and food people make war. IN our so called ""civilized"" world, war at it's most about amusement. Self shaping can change your mind and make you less arrogant because it changes your mind therefore you can destroy conditionments because it radically change your mind making you more open instead of than using canisters one by one alloying your ego to grow. The ego that is a conditionement of the mind, so i would be not a canister junkie. But self shaping has a risk if you are not precise you can cause an error in your genes either resulting in death or cripple of your one self or others. In opposition this kind of self shaping could counter effect the canister use making you or others human again so i promote a war against tellogullor. And provide a solid shelter for the weak and the poor and letting unlike tellogulor others to develop their mind and letting them have different point of view making a more peaceful society. More than that the knowledge that the early inhabitants of changing the structure of reality itself i would be able to counter attack the hordes of tellogulor and making him to go into an exile or if necessary make him a prisoner. And tellogullor to any that would try to steal my secrets i would with my magic probe only thoughts that could be dangerous to my order making me invulnerable to your spies. Glory of the multitudes and the greater good of mankind !!! (Wait that is wrong hey i am becoming more human oh hell !! that is disgusting, well different point of views are better than one.)

Then shaper versus shaper wars are and were the most horrid things. Another question what sort of creatures and shapers (gardians,agents & shapers) would be present on the battle field ?

HE is evil. Never forget that.

What are alien beast ? are they those six legged creatures?

To describe your humanity is quite difficult but i think it a sain man that hasn't used any drugs and canisters and that his state of mind hasn't been to much shocked or suffered. But the early shapers could change your mind and perfect it but that knowledge is not lost some canisters perfect your mind it would increase your ability but take of your reason. A mind without the fundamental bases that make you survive in the animal world and that i essential to altruism. That is humanity for my point of view .

Yeh but in G1 battle alphas are discribe to dig up trenches and G3 there is a bunker so i'am quite lost on that subject.

Trakov was a soali a man that had landed on sucia island he stole the secrets from the shapers now he payed it with his life. Soalies were good boat makers travelers and traders they didn't have any shaping magic. Probably his name was idealized by rebells to show how shaping is wrong. Or i could be wrong am i ?

Since when that the shapers did trenches and bunkers they don' t need them so why use them? and my second question is when was the last shaper/shaper war? Because it's weird that shapers with their heavy guns plumell them selves in a trench war.

So they come form an other reality.... alright it make sense . So in avernum three types of creatures exist magical monsters like demons that inhabited avernum and the land above recently , semi magical type like humans and dragons as well non magical beasts like unicorns and lizards. I am wrong?