Retlaw May

Such a beast would have to be massive and heavily armored. Such a beast would be slow and if you wished for it to follow you, it would slow you down to an enormous degree.

I have my doubts that the Shapers would accept them. These independent creatures endanger all they believe in. The Council would not rest until they, and their like, are all dead (except for a few isolated experiences where a creature may betray their kind to lend GREAT aid to the Shapers).

You mean "accept"?

I would say that everything relating to G4 is relavent to this topic seeing that it is called "Wow (G4)".

Your sentence has incorrect grammar. I'm assuming that you mean to say "uses" instead of "use". Seriously guys, this thread does really suck. People have made so many replies regarding nothing.

You aren't getting my point that if you ran away, you wouldn't be able to run away with your 300 lb backback in combat mode... It would actually have to be left on the ground.

But what you aren't taking into account is these are just subgroups of ONE misshap. That does not mean that this happens often, in fact, I think we would have heard about it if something like this had happened before...

But does this hakujin's poem fit any of the haiku variations then?

But we aren't writing in Japanese are we? So you should stick to the English haiku. But the bottom line is that the poem didn't fit the build for a haiku.

Something that Jeff has to take into consideration when he said he would think about that suggestion is that by reasoning that you drop the pack when fighting, (therefore it not counting against you) you would actually DROP it. This would mean running away in combat means loosing all your stuff that is not carried on you. I think that the weight system should be tweeked, but some of these tweeks people suggest would mean losing most of your stuff if you retreat or the like (even if a beast of burden carried it, it could be killed and if it tried to run away it probably wouldn't be the fastest invention of the shapers because it would be used to walking greater distance at a relativally steady and perhaps slow pace, and these would leave it a sitting duck).

I am guessing that you were trying to make a haiku, but the middle line doesn't have 7 syllables...

5-7-5

You may want to edit that soon considering its topic.

What are you talking about? For one thing, most people would barely be able to make a little flame even with the aid of dry brush because most outsiders don't understand magic very well. Also, that would mean pouring resources into teaching people the proper use of magic. And even if they learn to control magic well, every bar/tavern fight could potentially blow up the whole town/city.
And on the subject of many being able to contain something that was produced by one of your idea's non-shaper shaper. Rogues are definataly NOT the biggest reason why shaping is so controled. It is that DISEASE that could wipe out entire civilizations could occure from a careless outsider trying to make a crop grow bigger vegitables. How would your untrained shapers deal with that.
Yes, I sound like I am a loyalist, and most of the time my favorite endings in the series involve being loyalist (sometimes canister sometimes not). (Though my favorite ending of G1 was using the geneforge and then destroying it.)

They were powerful... But relativally to the other three choices they were the weakest and, in the end, were the most desperate for your help. (when I talk about sects I am not only talking about the shapers at drypeak, I am talking about serving the shapers as a whole). And you forget that your first test (and therefore easiest test) for any non-Awakened sect was to destroy the magnus complex (which wasn't all that hard to do).

Killing children is a taboo in RPG's as everyone says. Though I don't get why it is so horrible compared to me running rampant through Mertis in the end of Avernum 1 and killing everything including the pregnant lady since all attack you for some reason instead of running away when you are killing people by the dozens in each turn with no effort.

There are also games like Neverwinter Nights which has children, but attacking them deals no damage.

While shapers may not be the front line, they are there and their army of creations is infront of them with the guardians, guards, and maybe even the odd agent sent to destroy the commander of the rebel army. Just because in peace shapers mostly do research, shapers are the base of the three classes and I doubt that they just let the guardians and agents take over two whole continents...

Well, it may be that they may be short of canister made shapers, but drakons can be turned out in relativally greater numbers and require no control by link of essence.

 

P.S. David Gemmell is my favorite author (Drenai Saga is the best with the Waylander series being my favorite).

That would be horrible...

But in wars, those who are too rigid break, and those with some flexablity prevail.

Of course, desperate times call for desperate measures. (Of course this is the excuse for most games that try to bypass some realism)

we could go with the matrix theme and do the Geneforge

Geneforge: reloaded

Geneforge: revolutions

of my choice

Geneforge: forbidden art

Geneforge 2: mountains of ambition

Geneforge 3: islands of uprising

What names would you have given the other games of this series?

I guess it could be a small rebel group within the rebel group that made them loyalists like the obeyers.

The good shaping, descent fighting, weak magic would be pretty good for a bullseye shaper and I would really like to try a solo guy with good fighting, descent magic, and weak shaping.

I was wondering what people's various opinions were upon who was the best character for each situation (in general I know that they differ by how a person plays). Also I am sorry about no extra options for G2 as I have not played it (I have only played G1 and G3 I don't know why). Also, I would like to make sure that their opinion is regarding torment level.

I believe it is that near the end if you are a loyalist, that you can convince her to let you by (of course there is a glitch in the game that often renders this useless).