MrRoivas

Thats my point exactly. Why bother being a gaurdian if other classes can do the same things better? The gaurdian needs help.

Seriously, the Guardians need some buffing for G4. In G3, melee was shafted, along with parry, so the hardcore, torment playing people used missiles. Now, as detailed in the deadeye shaper thread, even the shaper is better ultimately in the end at missles than the Gaurdian. Gaurdians don't have any strategys for torment that others can't do better. The creatures that the gaurdian can shape are weak and die easily, using magic is just stupid, melee is a puny 1-4 damage counter, missle is done better by the other classes, parry not longer saves you. Where does this leave the guardian?

Its still better to try to get it balenced as possible.

First off, I think that the series needs a shakeup in general. Its getting a little stale. But, having seen Jeff's post, stating all the new things he has planned, my fear has been disproven. Some specific changes.

A) Make Drakons worth the investment.

Drakons have always been the weakest of the 4th tier creations. The have a very modest multipronged range attack, and a melee attack that is bested by the other 4th tier creations. The Ur-Drakon is even more worthless, but so is the Rodihizion. The only the Eyebeast is worth it. This brings me to

Make it so that second versions of creations arn't just higher level for more essence, ie Battle Betas, Rodizions. I mean, cmon, you can do better than that Jeff.

C) Fix Terror Vlish. They got completely ruined in G3, with their attack . poisoning things, rather than terrorfying things.

D) Give the Fire creation set and the Battle creations some bonuses. In G1, you could argue that magic creations were the best, with Artila corroding, Vlish slowing, and Glaahks stunning. In G2, magical creations dominance was undeniable. In G3, it got a little better, with the addition of resistences, and Glannks becoming too expensive and weak, but Magic still was the most powerful.

E) Fix the Glaahk. Just because it was too powerful before doesn't mean it should be doomed to expensive worthlessness. Drayks were nerfed too, and they were still useful. It can be done.

Finally,

F) Throw Gaurdians a bone. They have been consistently the hardest, with G2 providing a brief jockying for the spotlight against the Agent. The Gaurdian has the hardest time with locks and mechanics due to the weakness of their unlock, they have the same amount of essence as the Agents, which is almost rather small if one wishes to make creations, and they have a hard time dealing with crowds. G1 was fine, with the Gaurdians being harder but managable. G2 provided a viable means of crowd control with its overpowered parry, finally putting the Gaurdian on equal footing. In G3, parry was heavily nerfed. IMO, it could be slightly more powerful, but it would have been fine if, and only if, melee wasn't completely gutted. The base damage for G2 was 1-8. In G3 it was 1-4. This forces Gaurdians on higher difficulties to autimatically go missile weapons, which is unfair. Agents are able to have numerous different things they can do in a given situation, and Shapers have as many options as they do creations. Only Gaurdians are forced into one stratagey. This must change.

I think we all remember the supposed villian of them all, the leader of the Sholhia. He must of been one of the most ethical people on the planet before he took canisters, because, even when he used the Geneforge, he retained humanity. Thats something your personal character couldn't manage. And Gottesch was a bastard even with just canisters.

In G2, I always get a "letter to Rising" in Medab. Is there any point to it?

I can't find him anywhere in Grindstone. There is no one besides the mercenary leader and the mine owner there.

Loyal to the title of the thread, what aint gonna happen is: Any of I_am_a_Minotaurs suggestions. They are just as bad as Jeff's orginal plan to have serviles to be oppressed GIFTS.

If you have helpers in this game like G3, what I would like to see is a little more character development. Greta and Alwan were sooooooo blatant. Also, maybe something other than the "Bob" system could be used. Its only really been discussed in terms with Avernum, but Geneforge does it too, and I would'nt mind something new. Last note, make melee useful again. The damage reduction makes it just pitiful.

Yes, I am a noob to Avernum. Just getting it out of the way. What is skribbane, and how does it affect yur game?

I'm not saying you should make the entire game easy using an editor. I just saying its a fun way of blowing off steam. Its its pricless to watch all those 10 soliders rush at you, only to be obliterated by your inferno spell.

1. Have G2(It doesn't even have to be the full version.)

2. Run G2.

3. Start a new game, or load an old one.

4. Use an editor of your choice, and ugrade all the spells and stats to at least 20.

5. Go to the starting town, where Zachary lives.

6. Get into fight mode.

7. Have fun.

So is melee useless? I would hate that.

Tell me, how would this party fair?

First, Human Sword Warrior, pretty standard, not much else besides maybe a little cave lore and Warrior trait. Next, Nephil with nimble fingers, bows and lockpicking.

Third, Human Preist with Tough Skin, and Potion Making.

Fourth, Human Mage with Natural Mage, and nothing else.

Does joining them make it so you can't use magic? Advice is appreciated.

How do you kill him? Whenever I try, he regenerates.

Hi, im new to Avernum. Can I get some tips? I'd especially like tips on the classes.

Do you think that this could be used for G2?

Is there anyway to make Agatha talk about her experiments, or does a leadership of 30 and torture devices not make her talk. Info will be appreciated.

Thank you for your advice. But I would be very grateful if someone could give me advice on which creations are worth and what to have. And I don't like deadweight shapers.

Could people please give me some advice for how to play as a shaper, as I seem to be doing it wrong and dieing horribly. Also, I have heard people say that you can get create drayk early on. When can you first get it?

Please add more info, and please make it a little more organized. I'd espcially like to see more info on PCs and on creations.

Who is the guy(s) who made the walkthroughs for G1 and G2 on GameFAQS? Would he/she/it/they please step foward, along with anyone who is planning to do a walkthrough on GameFAQs for G3. Thank you.

Alwan is a bastard who can't seem to stay alive. Greta all the way.