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Solberg death in Avernum 6. Erika's death in 3. Finally reaching the geneforge at the end of the first game. All end game quests of the first Avernum games were really epic, like escaping to the surface, assassinating the Emperor, and defeating a world ending demon.

My hope is that Jeff will grace us with the return of the GIFTS in the next game, this time with real voice acting. Brrrr... I just get the shivers thinking about it.

To me, E3 seemed the biggest. It had the same square footage as A3, but a much smaller screen. Everything seemed so far from each other when I had to go past several screen to get between cities.

In the Avernum remakes (especially the newer ones), with the larger screen, everything feels much closer. And in the second Avernum Triolgy, everything seemed very compacted. What appeared to be several miles in the earlier games, in A4 the distance between Dharmon and Blosk seems to be about fifteen feet. I don't know if that makes the game shorter, but it certainly feels smaller.

I don't know if anybody noticed, but the Avadon 3 trailer is out.

Doesn't look that much different gameplay wise, but looks nice. Here's hoping it'll be a great game.

Goodness, you work fast. Thanks for all the summaries.

Well, in game it's not a face palm. It wasn't established yet that there was only one continent.

But yeah that was a big recon on Jeffs part in the later games.

I usually have about 12 Leadership, as I like to have all game-play options available to me.Luckily, it can be bought, as well as Mechanics and Luck. They're really the only things worth spending your money on, bar a few exceptional cases. Geneforge 1 seems to have a lack of good places to spend money on. Later games I usually spend my money on spell, creations, or trainers but Geneforge 1 only has the three I mentioned. I usually end the game with 30 Luck with not a skill point spent in it, although I'm not really sure how much good it does. It seems to raise armor and resistance stats but I haven't noticed it make a big difference.

Eh, that's little disappointing.

Thanks for clarifying everything.

I imagine it'd go something like this: Persuade Trajkov to dismiss his creatures (to make fleeing easier) give him the bad gauntlets, let him proceed toward the Geneforge room, rush ahead of him (the door will open before he gets there), throw the real gauntlets in (or use the control key), and run out of there as fast as possible. Maybe you could hit him with Terror as he walks to the Geneforge to gain some more time. Although, I got to say, I can't imagine anyone either using or destroying the Geneforge and running away!

I'm also a little curious about 1a's ending. Trajkov would still have the Geneforge but wouldn't be able to use it because you stole the gloves. I would guess the text would just skip mention of his name with no other change in the, "Used but didn't destroy the Geneforge," ending. And what happens in 1d? Using the Geneforge, destroying it, and leaving Trajkov alone? It doesn't seem to be one of the options listed above.

I'm a little confused how you get ending 2c. How do you destroy the Geneforge without killing Trajkov? The only way to open the door to the Geneforge is to either kill him or hand over either of the gloves in which case he uses them (and either dies or becomes all powerful depending on which one you gave). I wouldn't think destroying the Geneforge after he uses it would accomplish anything. Maybe it's possible to race ahead of him, destroy the Geneforge, and get out of there before you kill him?

Why would you feel bad for the Obeyers ? They can get a great ending

 

They are brought before the council to be judged and then put in charge of other serviles, as a humane element between the shapers and the non-intelligent serviles. Rydell dies happy at some point.

 

Sure but then there is the canon.

 

They all get purged by the shaper council and few that survived only did so due to the greed of two shapers. Actually im not entirelly sure any obeyer got saved.

 

If we're to scope in just within g1 then you're right, along with awakened they had the best. But seeing it with the rest of the games in mind...

This is exactly what I meant. I liked the happy Obeyer ending but I'm sad when I play it because I know what really happens to them in the end.

Btw, I think the Obeyer ending is happier for the Obeyers than the Awakened ending is for the awakened.

Yeah, the I always felt really bad for the Obeyers. They waited all these years (200 hundred I think) for their masters, the Shapers to come, only to get squashed by the Shapers first. It's all the more heartbreaking that they really really believed they would come and make everything right. Truth be told, even though I prefer aligning with the awakened, I think the Obeyer ending touched my heart more.

I would actually pay to have someone wipe my mind so I could re-enjoy Geneforge 1 like it should be, a game about a mysterious island full of lost history, warring factions, and of course forbidden secrets. Having already played it, I can't get that sense of wonder I did the first time. (Still played it like a bajillion times though)

I'm not sure how mechanics works in G1, but there is the infinte X living tool in the area past Pentil, somewhere near the bottom of the screen, that pretty much renders mechanics moot excluding a few places.

 

Some of us are less tolerant of that degree of saturation (it's also possible that I'm jealous because phoenixes are much less popular than dragons). And there's no limit to the realm of fantasy; why always hang about in the same place? To me, when it starts to feel familiar it ceases to feel like fantasy.

 

The main reason for 'no dragons', though, is that I'd noticed a pattern of bland, uninteresting stories being mainly the ones with dragons in - I could have also gone with 'no elves' or 'no magic swords' but those don't sound quite right. I have read good books featuring dragons, and even a few featuring awesome or really interesting dragons. Smaug from The Hobbit (one of my favorite books) is the archetypical dragon, but he's a small part of a larger adventure, a perfectly-calculated spice instead of the main dish.

 

Honestly, I probably don't need that filter now, because the internet makes getting good recommendations much easier. It's been a long time since I read a total dud.

Well yeah, of course cliches can be poorly used. I certainly do not find every book that has a dragon in it to be necessarily good book. Dragons can indeed be written blandly, especially since they're so popular that everyone wants to use them in their stories. It's just that when I see a Dragon in a book, it grabs my attention.

I think it goes without saying that with every cliche, some people people with love it and some will hate it. You can't make everybody happy.

Despite how adorable the intro pics make them out to be, I can't help but imagine what a giant fire hazard a pet Fyora would be. Good luck getting yourself a lease with that thing around.

I dunno. I'm a sucker for anything that has dragons in it, Spiderweb games included.

Remember, a lot of cliches in storytelling are born because they are so good that people still love them even after they've seen the same thing a million times.

Thank you for solving a decade old mystery for me. I can finally put that thing to rest.

I wonder who was supposed to tell you to search there?

Ah, I didn't realize you were averaging it out. That does make sense then. Thank you.

Hmm, I'm rechecking the item list here http://www.gamefaqs....ge-3/faqs/37624 and every weapon looks like it runs a 1-4D. Maybe Reaper Batons run on a higher Dice roll, but all swords run on the 1-4d and that's usually the guardians bread and butter. Where does the 5/9 or 6/9 come in?

I should note though, that the oozing blade is a sick weapon. It does straight acid damage instead of physical, allowing you to do nearly full damage to most creatures. It also slows and if you tack on a reviving crystal it will even heal you at the same time. Doesn't make up for all the nerfing though.

I'd agree the Shaper was more powerful in Geneforge 3, but I really enjoy going with a solo Agent and just steamrolling through the game without having to manipulate me and seven creations the whole game. I don't even make one creation the whole game.

And I pronounce it Genie-Forge. Gene-Forge just sounds awkward, it sounds more like a statement than a word, even though I'm pretty sure that it is the right pronunciation.

Edit: And boy did the Guardian get nerffed in G3. Not only was Parry toned down, sword damage got cut exactly in half. They're playable, but I'd peg them as the worst class in all the Geneforge games.

I'm pretty sure he means Exile 3, but I have no idea who Macintar is. If you want the Kill Spell early on, Erika is your best bet. She can be accessed right after the first plague.

I was thinking this discussion was referring to a Live Action Avernum TV Show. But then I realized it might be simpler and cheaper to make it animated. Live Action Avernum would definitely be infinitely cooler but to be really good it could take millions of dollars to produce. I mean Game of Thrones supposedly costs 6 million dollars, and that's per episode. Unless HBO wants to produce Avernum, it might be better to go animated.

But if HBO does... Rock on.

Don't forget the random merchandising. I want a talking GIFTS toothbrush.

Just wait until the episode with the smashing of the slith eggs. That episode might raise a few complaints.

You'd have to split the Avernums into different series, never mind seasons. There's no way the main characters of A1 could be the main characters of A2.

While I really really doubt there will ever be a TV show, there's at least this: http://lparchive.org/Exile-Escape-from-the-Pit/.