Txgangsta

Iffy, it's just an anvil for creatures, instead of items. I think it wouldnt be that big of a change.

But why would the shapers not use the resources of the caverns? Also, why wouldn't the Avernites take advantage of the turmoil of the empire? The Shapers didn't even know that other lands existed. Geneforge would have had to come first.

Geneforge couldn't have came first because of many reasons.

1) No teleportation.

2) The Avernum caverns haven't been discovered.

3) The only known continent is Terrestia, but the Sha'el or whatever are other peoples on a different continent, and no one knows where they came from.

Yes, regression is possible, but how would the caverns be forgotten? And an empire that spanned the world completely gone from everyones history???

There are plenty of spiders in geneforge. The clawbugs! Most of the creatures are probably just repeated in both because they're cool and work for both games, but still...

Starwars 4,5 and 6 were first too. =)

Ok, maybe the Trakovites don't make the empire, but they still could be the ones that take out the shapers. Also, its not Averforge, Its Generum. Geneforge came first =)

Large Lizards and goblins obviously have no resemblance to fyoras and serviles =) Evolution! Also, with the shapers gone, how could they make more fyora's when it says that they make them so they cant reproduce???

Edit: Why wouldn't the Trakovites make an empire, power is fun!

I just started playing Avernum 5 when the idea came to me. the Trogovites (or how ever u spell it) are those that dont believe in shaping, and Avernum doesnt use it. Maybe the Trogovites win in the last geneforge and create the Empire? What does everyone else think about this???