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  1. Where does the 70-80 year figure come from, anyway? And do we have a date for when the first exiles started coming down? (I'm pretty sure that was in the games somewhere, but I haven't gone back to check.)

     

    For that matter, is there a timeline posted anywhere of, say, when the the war with Grah-Hoth happened, when he was bottled up, etc.? That might be really useful for scenario designers, especially if sources were listed (ie "We think that A2 happens [X] years after A1 because [Person Q] in the games says [blah]").

     

    If such a thing does not exist, I shall make my own.

  2. Okay, new thought.

     

    I just went back to Gnass in A1 and talked with some folks. Sss-Schai, the chief, says "[The Darklings] were expelled, in the mercy of the leaders, and came here, threatened by death should they return. Then the humans arrived. As the war started, decades after we arrived, some of us finally rejected Sss-Thsss."

     

    War between the humans and sliths started "decades after" the sliths arrived. How long ago did humans show up? 70 years before A1? So sliths have been around Avernum for a century, give or take.

     

    Eath, the nanny of the little sliths, corroborates this view. "A century ago it was that we came, forced through Lost Bahssikava, forced through the tunnel for our dark deeds, our dark thoughts, our lust for blood."

     

    Strangely enough, though, Sss-Tass in Lost Bahssikava says, "Our small band has lived here for two hundred years," even though this is clearly the Lost Bahssikava that the sliths of Gnass were talking about. Since the sliths of Gnass have forgotten the location of Lost Bahssikava and only broke away from Sss-Thsss right before the war with humans -- as opposed to the story told by Sss-Hass in Lost Bahssikava, which seems to indicate that the sliths of Lost Bahssikava broke away as soon as they arrived in Avernum -- it seems very possible that the sliths of Gnass don't know what they're talking about.

     

    Ooooorrr... since Eath's "a century" comes from a song, maybe the song is an old one, and Sss-Schai is talking about the original humans to arrive in Avernum, the ones responsible for the Ancient Crypt up north of Formello, which indicates that humans have been in Avernum since long before the First Expedition. (First Visitation? Sounds like space aliens. smile ) However... how the heck could it have been Sss-Thsss's grandfather, in that case? How long do sliths live, anyway?

     

    My issue here is that the sliths of Lost Bahssikava seem to be much more up on their history than the ones of Gnass, having been warlike and crazed for less time and also knowing the location of the tunnel back into the slith homeland, but they say two hundred years, which doesn't seem very realistic. (In A2, Toth-Thsss, the new chief of Gnass, seems to continue the trend of Gnass sliths forgetting their history, because he just says they were exiled "many years" ago.) Actually, I suppose it's just Sss-Tass who says two hundred years, and he admittedly is not one of the elders, but still, it's kind of strange.

     

    In answer to another of my own questions, evidently there are still Darklings around (from Eth-Ath in Gnass in A2, who says, "Many sliths are evil and bent"), but not a lot. Toth-Thsss speaks about the war in the past tense, and says of the two species, "Now, we are becoming fassst friends, united in hating the Empire."

     

    Apologies for the gigantic post. It's just an area of interest for me.

  3. I always alliterate my creations' names with their species... and since the first time through G1 I kept the same creations all the way -- nothing died, nothing reabsorbed -- I became very fond of Fred the Fyora, Fud the Fyora, Dax the Drayk, and Chris the Clawbug.

  4. So let me see if I've got the timeline here worked out right:

     

    The sliths were living happily in their slithy homeland. (Is there even a term for it? I like The Slith Homeland myself.) They were in Lower Avernum, and at some point they had contact with the vahnatai, specifically the vahnatai of A2 and A3 (which is why those vahnatai had books that mentioned them, as Drakefyre shockedly notes in his theory of Vahnatai Creationism). This remains the situation since some time in the ancient past.

     

    Then, for whatever reason, two slith generations ago (how long is that?), Sss-Thoss gets it into his head to start worshipping a dark god, presumably Grah-Hoth, and he and his followers get banished through really freaking long tunnels that lead from the slith homeland to Lost Bahssikava. They show up in Avernum and are all dark and evil and violent and bad. The sliths who go off to found villages in Gnass and Lost Bahssikava break away from this tradition and become nice and gentle again, unlike their cousins, the Darklings.

     

    Then the Darklings get their butts kicked by the heroes of A1, and even worse by the Empire as they come in and sack and take over all the slith island fortresses.

     

    Is this about right?

    How long are two slith generations (ie how long have they been in Avernum)?

    Are there still Darklings around after being decimated by the Empire? If so, where?

  5. I have heard a great deal about the Empire's history, and somewhat less about the vahnatai, but I was wondering if anyone had defined a history for the sliths. Is there a conventional explanation for, say, the location of the slith homeland (more specifically than just through the doors below Lost Bahssikava)? Why Lost Bahssikava ceased to exist between Avernums 1 and 2? How long the tunnel is between Lost Bahssikava and the slith homeland? What things are like back in the homeland now? Anything else along these lines?

     

    Once BoA comes out, my first scenario for it will be based on an attempt to rediscover the slith homeland, so I'm just curious to know what's out there already. (If there's nothing, that's better, because it gives me more freedom to invent.)

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