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Drakefyre

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  1. Demons and Sliths were already in Avernum when the FE came down. Vahnatai started their resting several hundred years before Exile I - probably between 500 and 700 years.

     

    Could you really tell the difference in a fresco between a human, a giant, and a troglodyte?

  2. I said that the archmagi arrived about 25-30 years after the first expedition, five years or so after Micah. They did not automatically help him, instead they worked on making the place hospitable and bottling Grah-Hoth.

     

    -60 First Expedition

    -50 First exilings

    -40 Micah exiled

    -35 Archmages exiled, Grah-Hoth bottled

    -25 More cities formed as hawthorne begins mass exilings

    -22 Micah gets the castle and becomes 'official' King

     

    Soon after Slith attacks begin.

     

    My 70-80 years were for before Exile III, which was 16 years after Exile I.

  3. I do think that Erika was right in saying that Micah had ruled for 20-some years. As she sees it, he doesn't rule until she gives him real power or authority. Micah probably considered himself ruling from the time he assembled the people together.

     

    This is why I take issue with the "fifty years" before aspect of the First Expedition. It makes much more sense for it to have been 70 years before, because then the other events all make much more sense.

     

    Erika was not sent down to Avernum in the first batch of exilings, which started about 10 years after the First Expedition. She was sent down in the middle of Hawthorne II's reign, and before the reign of terror of Hawthorne III.

  4. Erika says something along the lines of coming down and aiding either the king or the kingdom, meaning that Micah must have already been exiled, since he was the first (and only) king of Avernum.

     

    There is no doubt about the fact that Erika was exiled by Hawthorne's father.

  5. I have problems with your timeline - Erika et al were not exiled until 25/30 years after the First Expedition, by Hawthorne's father.

     

    There is also information in the Exile games that didn't necessarily make the cut into Avernum that should still be treated as canon too.

     

    Micah was exiled and became king before the archmage exilings - but the Avernum them was not the Avernum that we know now.

  6. Because Hawthorne's grandfather sent down the First Expedition, and they floundered around. Leave 20 years for the first humans, 10 years before cities start to form, then 15-20 years later the archmages come down and help a bunch, then Micah becomes king, and then we're at Exile I, about 70 years later.

     

    I'd say that Grah-Hoth was bottled around 35 years before Exile I - you'd have to go back to the prince in Akhronath.

     

    EDIT: Also, specific numbers around 70 years are mentioned somewhere in the games - don't remember where.

  7. Well, not having looked at the games, 10-15 was an estimate. But seeing that the First Expedition was 70-80 years before Exile I, then it's presumable that they've been there for a while. I don't think any conclusions can be drawn from the Ancient Crypt - the party is not made of archaeologists, and any observations they have would be far off, especially as they don't know of any other humanoid species, having just come down from the surface.

     

    I don't think that the First Visitation would really count as the first humans coming down - there weren't very many of them, and they never tried to settle anywhere. I'd say that the first exilings and the start of human settlements prompted conflict with the Sliths. I think they would have been quite content to let the humans die out without any help from them. But when the humans bottled up Grah-Hoth, or when they were attempting to, I think that started the real onslaught of Slith attacks.

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