Daniel

See this Strategy Central thread http://www.spiderwebforums.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=188860#Post188860

Originally Posted By: Earth Empires There are few enemies who can kill you with 1 hit. I've only heard about Melanchion from the Forum, really. I've been playing on Normal, and very few groups of enemies could take more than 50% of HP in one round. So yeah, it's not a problem. I don't know if this is still true in Torment, though. I think I'll want to kill Melanchion when the time comes, so I'd like that to be as "easy" as possible.

By the way, here are the rough formulas used to calculate HP and SP: Hit Points=37+(5/9)*E*(CL+8) Spell Points=11+I*(CL+1) Multiply HP by 1.1 for Sliths. E-Endurance CL-Character Level I-Intelligence

Thanks for the reply, Randomizer. And for the nice welcome! Updating the values taking into account a 6 level difference and making explicit the loss in fatigue reduction. So, 9 Int, 9 End, 6 level difference: - +30 Skill points - +30 Hit Points - +54 Spell Points - + 1 level at another trait (supposing the character chose Pure Spirit or Natural mage traits, that would mean +1 skill point in either priest or mague spells, plus +1 in magical efficiency). This is no longer guaranteed with a 6 level difference -- it won't happen if you reach level 32 AND don't reach level 40 for the same character with and without DT respectively. From not having DT, he would lose the following relevant skills (from Trait Effects article): - +9 Spellcraft (assuming he reaches level 32 but not 40) - 20% Armor - +9 Sharpshooting (not the be all and end all for a spellcaster, but very handy) - +45% chance in fatigue reduction from Blademaster in battle skills I must say I didn't finish my first run in A6 (I'm pretty close), but I'm already obsessively thinking about the next party. So, developing this a little bit more: One character without DT loses an extra 8*(average damage from weapon/spell) + whatever is the average damage you get from the extra 45% of fatigue reduction (i.e., less frequent Adrenaline Rushes). I use 8 instead of 9 because you probably get +1 to Mage Spells (or Priest Spells, or Blademaster) from your other traits. If you're a Elite Warrior without DT, you'll also get a +1 Parry. If you're a nephil, you'll get +1 to Thrown Weapons, Bows and Gymnastics. One possible build for a character without DT is just to invest the extra skill points in luck/hardiness/resistance (and parry/riposte if you're a fighter). That way you'll have a character with a little more staying power against magic users. If you're a magic user, the +54 spell points can also be handy, especially since magic efficiency doesn't work with the more powerful area spells. So, in this case: - you'll kill your enemies more slowly, but they will also do less magical damage per turn against you. Importantly, because of the extra health and resistances, the likelihood of being one-shot killed is a bit reduced (this can happen if you decide to kill Melanchion, right?). - since you lose the 20% armor bonus, you'll still suffer more from the physical damage that hits you.

Hi people. I'm a noob who's been intensely reading party building advice in the A6 forum for the last few days. Many people here recommend DT in all characters for the perfect build. However, the 30% experience penalty will make you lose some level-ups. Case in point, let's take a nephil priest or mage character. Suppose that, without DT, he will finish the game with 10 more levels than if he had DT. A character with 10 more levels and with 9 Int and 9 End will finish the game with: - +50 Skill points - +50 Hit Points - +90 Spell Points - + 1 level at another trait (supposing the character chose Pure Spirit or Natural mage traits, that would mean +1 skill point in either priest or mague spells, plus +1 in magical efficiency) From not having DT, he would lose the following relevant skills (from Trait Effects article): - +9 Spellcraft (assuming he reaches level 32 but not 40) - 20% Armor - +9 Sharpshooting (not the be all and end all for a spellcaster, but very handy) My questions are: - Is the assumed 10 level difference accurate (ballpark)? - I chose 9 Int and 9 End because these values give nice round numbers for HP and SP. Are they realistic for an endgame spellcaster? - how would you invest your extra 50 skill points? The same questions can be asked of a nephil warrior, substituting the +9 Spellcraft with a +9 Blademaster, and not taking into account the extra spell points. Your thoughts on this would be much appreciated. (edited to correct typos)