Unflappable Drayk Sleeping Dragon Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 Sorry I missed the other one. Well, not really. I would keep it to myself. If you think the Geneforge world has it bad, imagine the modern world if shaping were suddenly a factor! That game Bioshock gave you a taste of a similar scenario. Things didn't turn out well for those people. Crazy cosmetic surgeons, genetic arms races, creepy marketing scheme's for tonics and plasmids (Bioshock versions of canisters). Their entire civilization crumbed into a few insane survivors and those guys didn't even have the ability to make creations! If shaping were introduced into our world, things would take a turn for the worst. The Creations Rights activists would be the biggest interest group ever, both candidates would pander, I'm sure, while at the same time denying any affiliation with such groups. Then there's religion, just imagine how many different ways they would come up with for how shaping is an affront against God. So sorry, if I could shape, I would probably keep it to myself. I would never be able to help as many people with it as would be hurt by it in the long run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody Luca Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 Originally Posted By: Sleeping Dragon If shaping were introduced into our world, things would take a turn for the worst. Aye, Without a guiding power like the shapers to create laws we would have violence, like tiny bits of charred human next to a very large drakon and a robed figure screaming, “I AM MOSSES”. *We’ve already covered this topic* A gang of servile haters would wave their noses around like flags on a poll. Violence from terrorist would be felt every day, most probably in the form of exploding wingbolts... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Dikiyoba Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 Originally Posted By: Nebulan Without a guiding power like the shapers to create laws we would have violence, like tiny bits of charred human next to a very large drakon and a robed figure screaming, “I AM MOSSES”. BRYOPHYTES FTW!!! Dikiyoba. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt Lord Safey Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 In way we are learning how to shape. Though I don't want nor think we will take the same path the shapers did. Also I don't think we will, we have several technological optionals to shaping. I can't see shaping having many reasons beyond medical purposes. Its far easier for us develop combat robots then it would be to develop super soldiers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Acky Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 Safey, Sleepy, I think its a matter of how long a group like the shapers would come in. Shaping in our world would be very bizzare, but I doubt that it would destroy the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody Luca Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 Originally Posted By: Ackrovan ...I doubt that it would destroy the world. They also doubted that tiny little carbon particles would be able to destroy the ozone layer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Acky Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 When we started to really pump Carbon Dioxide into the air back in the late 1800's, they had no idea that they where damaging the Earth. I don't even think they knew particles exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody Luca Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 Originally Posted By: Ackrovan we started...in the late 1800's, they had no idea that they where damaging the Earth. Yet we are just now deciding that pumping carbon into the air is bad even though we have leared of the theory behind it for over half a century. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Acky Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 Yes. But you have to look at it from both angles. What we were doing virtually jumpstarted our economy at an amazing rate. Even in the 1950's at least 80 years afterwards it was still a relitively new idea(AKA factories etc) and because of out stagnet ecomomy at the time, would you beilive a scientist running up to you and screaming at you that pumping CD is bad for the Earth when only about 20 years ago we really started to feel the backlash, would you beilive them? I sure as hell wouldn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody Luca Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 Originally Posted By: Ackrovan What we were doing virtually jumpstarted our economy at an amazing rate. I would never justify harming the enviroment to improve a system we have made up and we control. If our economy sees too much inflation we can take steps to stop/slow it, even switch out our money. the enviroment is not as easy. Originally Posted By: Ackrovan when only about 20 years ago we really started to feel the backlash funny, it seems I was just watching a movie talking about studies showing a few graphs about the enviroment created in the 50's...What was that movie's name... If by... Originally Posted By: Ackrovan 20 years ago we really started to feel the backlash you mean we're just now seeing the effects in our backyards then yeah, you got it. we've been feeling it all this century, we are just now seeing how gigantic the effects are and getting to tired os saying el nino. We are feeling the effects we just aren't admitting them, just ask ole Georgey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody Feo Takahari Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 How about this: assassinate [insert whoever you want here] and shape a more sane replacement for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody Luca Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 How hard is it to shape a turkey? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall The Ratt Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 How about a pumpkin instead. Endless entertainment for the kids. Until the carving tools break. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Acky Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 That happened to me once. Then again, I was useing a butter knife.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody Luca Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 You pretended to be Bush and were shaped into a pumpkin with a butter knife? Sounds like a bad former al-kida story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Acky Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 That's what happens when you let Dick Cheney Publish it HOOOOORAAAAA!!!! Let this post be the day that the one true Dragon Lord has moved up from Warrior to Shock Trooper with 200 posts under his belt(well, scales) Bring out the Vodka. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody Luca Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 I thought that would include a rifle also... I brought beer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast The Mystic Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 Originally Posted By: Nebulan also... I brought beer. Had I known that, I would've tracked down some German polka music, and we could've had an Oktoberfest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody Luca Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 It's not too late... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast The Mystic Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 Found some. Enjoy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody Luca Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 Fantastic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast The Mystic Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 Thanks. My father actually owns one of the albums listed (Music for Non-Thinkers), and I most thoroughly enjoy it, especially since all the cast & crew were given several liters of lager specifically for the recording. And one song in particular, "Come Vere the Band Ist Playing," I think goes well with the picture you posted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody Luca Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 Great here's another... It's much better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Acky Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 Originally Posted By: Nebulan I thought that would include a rifle also... I brought beer. Hey, where did you get that picture of me and my friends at my cousins Bar-mitzva.....Oh, wait a minute, forget you read that. And it might not be the best idea to steal Alorael sniper rifle. Originally Posted By: Nebulan Great here's another... It's much better And thats what happened when Martin Lawrence came into the picture. Mystic, play that funkay music white boy That's my favorite song from the 70's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody Luca Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 "This is the last keg of booze I ever bring you..." quoth Nebulan heading towards the exalted Alorael for a pedestrian recommendation.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unflappable Drayk Sleeping Dragon Posted October 21, 2008 Author Share Posted October 21, 2008 Aw, you guys killed the topic a second time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unflappable Drayk Xelgion Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 These are just mere scratches, if you really want this topic derailed, get Nikki over here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody Luca Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 Originally Posted By: Sleeping Dragon Aw, you guys killed the topic a second time. ...quoth the sleeping dragon, thus creating a self fulfilling prophecy at the exact second the thread could have been turned around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Acky Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 I don't think we killed it, so much as people stoped posting about the topic and we just...... got lost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk nikki. Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 Xelgion, I'm not a troll. That discussion is not for now though. I think I'd try to do something with medicine. Perhaps try to shape a virus that would kill other viruses? Really, when you think of it, we're already Shaping, as a race. We can alter genes, and create clones. We can even take DNA from one animal and stick it in another. I propose we change the topic to "What shouldn't we do, in respect to creating new life?" My answer, I think, would be "create life". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan Lifecrafterandnoobeditor Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 And here comes nikki to ruin it... seriously, one shaper alone could destroy the world. if we really had shaping at the mastery jeff made, anyone mad enough at the world, could constantly make things that do nothing but eat ozone or something else crucial to the world, because shaping has no limit to size. True, we have it to some extent, but we arent even scratching the surface of what shaping is as defined by jeff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Acky Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 Originally Posted By: Nikki. Xelgion, I'm not a troll. That discussion is not for now though. I think I'd try to do something with medicine. Perhaps try to shape a virus that would kill other viruses? Really, when you think of it, we're already Shaping, as a race. We can alter genes, and create clones. We can even take DNA from one animal and stick it in another. I propose we change the topic to "What shouldn't we do, in respect to creating new life?" My answer, I think, would be "create life". Ah, but to what extent? Realiesing a litiral "Anti-Virus" could cause more harm than good. If could very well infect the people its supposed to preserve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk nikki. Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 Yeah, I know. It's why Jeff created the Trakovites, and gave them the best ending in GF4. It's also why I said I wouldn't shape. Would creating a human organ from magic, in order to give it to a human-sired child, be terrible? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody Luca Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 Originally Posted By: Nikki. Would creating a human organ from magic, in order to give it to a human-sired child, be terrible? In Geneforge 2, at the end of the tunnel that leads you into the “new world” you discover that illegal shaping has been taking place. Such rash shaping causes terrible consequences in the long run, Just as eastern Medab’s shaped vegetables would eventually cause the soil to become too robbed of nutrients to grow anything else, that's if everything goes as planned. I’ll give it a few more posts before I guess someone would want to amazonize the desert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk nikki. Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 Just to clarify, I said "shaping one human organ", not colonising deserts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody Luca Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 I must have been temporarily out of my body when I said you did... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curious Artila Arori4 Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 I would shape a creation that would fix everything in this world and teach everyone right from wrong. Hahahahahahahahahahahaha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody Feo Takahari Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 What's interesting if you think about it is that this might not be irrelevant to the real world. When one "makes" a computer program, it is in theory under one's absolute control, but bugs tend to slip in. Apply some of this speculation to a true AI (which I, for one, think we're likely to develop sooner or later), and we could be in a whole lot of trouble depending on how cautious we are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unflappable Drayk Sleeping Dragon Posted October 22, 2008 Author Share Posted October 22, 2008 I appreciate you guys proving me wrong by getting back on topic. I think the difference between shaping and genetic engineering is simply... magic. They both do the same thing, but where a shaper uses magic to alter genes, scientists in our world use... whatever scientists use (not my area of expertise, obviously). So sure, we can sort of shape in our modern world, but not nearly to the dangerous extent that they can in Geneforge. You need to by a scientist with great knowledge and expensive equipment to shape on earth, and even then you are extremely limited. Shaping seems to be a more inherent power and if the average person on earth could tap into that power (or worse, canisters were introduced) then there would be catastrophic consequences. Just out of curiosity, anyone ever read Report on the Barnhouse Effect by Vonnegut? In it, a man suddenly discovered the secret of telekinesis (it is hinted that anyone could unlock this power if they know the secret) yet he wisely keeps it to himself and uses it to destroy all weapons of mass destruction on earth. He is quickly vilified by the major powers of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk nikki. Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 Okay, but Shapers, for hundreds of years, just bombarded creatures with magic, and noted down any effects. They were able to conquer continents using this technique - it wasn't until Sucia that genes were discovered. We're already beyond that stage of bombarding things with magic (radiation, anybody? I mean, after all, that is why cannister-users glow green, isn't it?) - whilst we can't create uber-legions of doom quite yet, it's because we've not wanted to make monsters. I think if we took a large enough sample of monkeys, and blasted radiation at certain gene structures, eventually we'd be able to give them super-strength. (Please note: I may be talking out of my ass here. I don't know nearly enough about genetics to know whether or not that would happen, but it certainly seems possible.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Lilith Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 If we wanted to give animals super strength, we wouldn't need to randomly bombard them with radiation. All we'd need to do is knock out the myostatin gene, which encodes a hormone that suppresses excessive muscle production. Disable the gene and you end up with monsters. They don't breathe fire, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Acky Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 Originally Posted By: Nikki. Okay, but Shapers, for hundreds of years, just bombarded creatures with magic, and noted down any effects. They were able to conquer continents using this technique - it wasn't until Sucia that genes were discovered. We're already beyond that stage of bombarding things with magic (radiation, anybody? I mean, after all, that is why cannister-users glow green, isn't it?) - whilst we can't create uber-legions of doom quite yet, it's because we've not wanted to make monsters. I think if we took a large enough sample of monkeys, and blasted radiation at certain gene structures, eventually we'd be able to give them super-strength. (Please note: I may be talking out of my ass here. I don't know nearly enough about genetics to know whether or not that would happen, but it certainly seems possible.) Theoraticly, yes. But you really have to understand the subject in order to fully grasp how many different ways we could do this. In fact, we are only know really understanding how to manipulate and "fuse" together different types of genes. We may be have the possiblity to make things the way the shapers do but this would certinly be way after we die, maybe even when our children are nearing death(Generaly). Originally Posted By: Thuryl If we wanted to give animals super strength, we wouldn't need to randomly bombard them with radiation. All we'd need to do is knock out the myostatin gene, which encodes a hormone that suppresses excessive muscle production. Disable the gene and you end up with monsters. They don't breathe fire, though. Yes, but this would cut there life span effectivly in half(or so). Constanly pouring raw strength into somthing, it would eventualy be killed under its own mass. We would then have to alter its being so it could survive with its super strength. That's why the shapers can't just pour raw magic into a creation before it becomes mutated, disfigured, mad, or a mix of the three. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Alorael at Large Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 [Edit: Ahem. Missing a page of thread doesn't help.] Carbon dioxide is a greenhouse gas. It isn't really relevant to ozone layer damage. —Alorael, who finds the conflation of the two atmospheric issues vexing. Being irradiated and being cooked aren't the same no mater how much anyone calls microwaving "nuking." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Acky Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 I don't think we are that off topic and by far not spam. We are discussing the possiblity to shape in the way the shapers do, steming from "What would you do if you could shape". Discussing if we would have the abilty to shape at least in some way the shapers do is by far not spam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Sudanna Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 Quote: Yes, but this would cut there life span effectively in half(or so). Constantly pouring raw strength into something, it would eventually be killed under its own mass. We would then have to alter its being so it could survive with its super strength. Typically, humans aren't as good as soldiers after the first half of their lives anyways. Besides, did you read correctly? That particular gene removes (to a degree) the limit on muscle gain. Doing nothing gives an incredibly muscular physique if the deficiency is severe enough. The body can take that quite well- it's the equivalent of being a decent bodybuilder at no cost. And why not alter the being further? Quote: That's why the Shapers can't just pour raw magic into a creation before it becomes mutated, disfigured, mad, or a mix of the three. If they do it randomly, yes. But what you described is pretty much all of Shaping. The key is finesse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody Luca Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 Originally Posted By: Alorael Way off topic, guys, and venturing into the realm of spam. Correct, inappropriate better left to private messages however, far from spam. I would like to hear your views on climate change another time perhaps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast The Mystic Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 Originally Posted By: Ackrovan Mystic, play that funkay music white boy That's my favorite song from the 70's I could post some weirder stuff if you'd like, though it would have to be in the general board. Now, back to the topic. If I had the power to shape, I'd probably do simple experiments until the novelty of having that much power finally wears off; then I'd reabsorb anything I created (except maybe one or two, for sentimental reasons), and go on with my life. [pun]Then again, shaping would be a great way to make new friends...[/pun] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chittering Clawbug Khyryk Eye Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 Too much work to shape and try to keep all your creations under control. I'd save all that essence and cast spells (like a good agent). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk pitchblack Posted October 26, 2008 Share Posted October 26, 2008 Hmmm... Damn, this is where my sadistic streak comes in.... I think I'd have to start by making a few powerful creatures and marching on Washington and demanding that the public install some decent politicians. Also, I've never been able to figure out if Shapers could directly effect their own bodies (shaping themselves W/O a canister or Geneforge). If they could, that would be the second thing I;d do: mkae myslef into to a Drakon. Fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Lilith Posted October 26, 2008 Share Posted October 26, 2008 Originally Posted By: pitchblack Also, I've never been able to figure out if Shapers could directly effect their own bodies (shaping themselves W/O a canister or Geneforge). They can, but it's a very bad idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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