Understated Ur-Drakon Sudanna Posted October 2, 2008 Share Posted October 2, 2008 Yep. Dead, dead, dead. Shapers got 'em. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast *i Posted October 2, 2008 Share Posted October 2, 2008 New screenshots are available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Sudanna Posted October 2, 2008 Share Posted October 2, 2008 Oooh, Alwan is kickass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Randomizer Posted October 2, 2008 Author Share Posted October 2, 2008 I still think Jeff shouldn't have used Delicious Vlish's Shaper Council invitation quest. The paper is easy, but having to find the seven different colored inks and hand deliver the invitations was ridiculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk nikki. Posted October 2, 2008 Share Posted October 2, 2008 So, we know Alwan survives the end of Geneforge 4, but given his current state, it's still entirely possibly that the Rebel ending was chosen to be the starting point for the new game - he could easily have been left for dead, and then shielded himself and slipped out of Northforge. Although, if he's needing supports to keep him standing up, that's not overly likely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody madrigan Posted October 2, 2008 Share Posted October 2, 2008 Originally Posted By: ANIKaytar So, we know Alwan survives the end of Geneforge 4, but given his current state, it's still entirely possibly that the Rebel ending was chosen to be the starting point for the new game - he could easily have been left for dead, and then shielded himself and slipped out of Northforge. Although, if he's needing supports to keep him standing up, that's not overly likely. He could have been left for dead, regained consciousness in the darkened lab, and used the last of his essence to shape a Fyora to drag him to the nearest Shaper camp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Student of Trinity Posted October 2, 2008 Share Posted October 2, 2008 If you think about it, 'shape a Fyora to drag me to safety' is probably the Shaper school equivalent of a fire drill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody Luca Posted October 2, 2008 Share Posted October 2, 2008 So, is Nebulan to gather that the begining changes depending on what character you choose? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Acky Posted October 2, 2008 Share Posted October 2, 2008 Oh my god, alwan is so cool. His situation reminds me of Eliza's Shaftoes and Moseh's, with the whole "Needs a tube up my thigh to feed me". And I guess Greta was killed. A shame. I wanted her more. I wonder who this Rawul is too. Maybe on your way to some general to get orders, he captures you and he makes you his personal servants. And not to mention the Shaper council. Since the Shapers are split, perhaps the council has gathered to "resolve thier diffrences". One third sides with the Moderetes, one third goes with the Extremists, and the last third is trying to be nuetral. Oh I can't wait to go on a bizerck ranpage and kill all those who question my sanity one last time. Plus I noticed that the Fyora graphic wasen't change for the first time. >The Dragon Lord Akavon makes a few plans. Be assured that Rawul will regret the day he messed with his level one PC< Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Goldengirl Posted October 2, 2008 Share Posted October 2, 2008 Originally Posted By: Akavon the Dragon Lord Oh my god, alwan is so cool. His situation reminds me of Eliza's Shaftoes and Moseh's, with the whole "Needs a tube up my thigh to feed me". And I guess Greta was killed. A shame. I wanted her more. I wonder who this Rawul is too. Maybe on your way to some general to get orders, he captures you and he makes you his personal servants. And not to mention the Shaper council. Since the Shapers are split, perhaps the council has gathered to "resolve thier diffrences". One third sides with the Moderetes, one third goes with the Extremists, and the last third is trying to be nuetral. Oh I can't wait to go on a bizerck ranpage and kill all those who question my sanity one last time. Plus I noticed that the Fyora graphic wasen't change for the first time. >The Dragon Lord Akavon makes a few plans. Be assured that Rawul will regret the day he messed with his level one PC< I see no reason to think Greta is dead. Assuming there was a Trakovite/Rebel ending, which seems most likely at this point, I'd assume Greta's either alive and well, or in a similiar condition. Rawul looks like he's your owner, if you play as a Servile. The Council has always been. They're the government of the Shapers, and by extension, the Shaper Empire. I've been waiting for a chance to wring their necks. And also, to talk with them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Mea Tulpa Posted October 2, 2008 Share Posted October 2, 2008 I'm somewhat skeptical that the opening is different depending on your character choice: although neat, it's pretty contrary to Jeff's design philosophy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody Luca Posted October 2, 2008 Share Posted October 2, 2008 It is unlikely but that servile screenshot's caption made Neb think... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Sudanna Posted October 2, 2008 Share Posted October 2, 2008 Nethergate, Slarty? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody Luca Posted October 2, 2008 Share Posted October 2, 2008 this is slightly more complex than nethergate ever so slightly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Sudanna Posted October 2, 2008 Share Posted October 2, 2008 Not really. Slightly more complicated since there are three possible endings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Goldengirl Posted October 2, 2008 Share Posted October 2, 2008 Originally Posted By: Yelbis Eceer Nalyd Nethergate, Slarty? Where's Tyranicus when you need him... Anyway, in Nethergate, you get different beginnings, different stories, depending on whether you're Roman or Celtic. Two sides of the same story, so to speak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Randomizer Posted October 2, 2008 Author Share Posted October 2, 2008 Originally Posted By: Nebulan So, am I to gather that the begining changes depending on what character you choose? Yes. If you are a servile, then almost everyone considers you lower on the social scale than the other 8 character classes. The other 8 classes are still considered to be one step up from a trained dog, you are a trained speaking dog (see here ). Shaper Rawal puts you in your place and gets to the heart of the matter, you are minion. The beginning is the same for everyone. The changes come when you pick a faction to align with and do their quests to prove your loyalty. There are 5 factions and staying with Shaper Rawal your original master as a 6th one. There are 12 endings based upon which side, rebel or shaper, you side with for the final battle, I think. Jeff promises the final part next week. It is possible to powergame a bit and change factions by doing quests for a different faction. However being able to join factions depends upon your rebel/shaper reputation so the list of ways to change that reputation will be very important to powergamers. Also some factions become inaccessible if you kill off certain NPCs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Xaiya Posted October 2, 2008 Share Posted October 2, 2008 Hmm, a couple scenarios I didn't think of before. Greta thinks she kills Alwan but Alwan survives... Alwan kills Greta, but is seriously wounded in the process... Or maybe another one... Either way, I will find out eventually! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Mea Tulpa Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 So here's a question Jeff has hinted at, but nobody has asked. This is a good one for you Random. How balanced are the creations this time, particularly the battle creations? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody Luca Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 Originally Posted By: Randomizer Yes. If you are a servile, then almost everyone considers you lower on the social scale than the other 8 character classes. The other 8 classes are still considered to be one step up from a trained dog, you are a trained speaking dog. Nebulan is familiar with the geneforge story, he only wondered if the character's physical start location would change based on your character type. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Acky Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 Originally Posted By: Slarty So here's a question Jeff has hinted at, but nobody has asked. This is a good one for you Random. How balanced are the creations this time, particularly the battle creations? My thoughts exactly. He said he would give them a bunch of health and lower there Essence cost, but I don't think that would cut it. If anything, the first thing they need is more strength. Because a creation that is ment for melee dosen't have as much melee strength as a creation that is ment for range, this is a clear sigh that they need alot of love (prefurably a big hug full of stats). As for the Alwan/Greta situation, I agree with Iffy that at least one of them were killed. Now that we've seen Alwan, its safe to say that Greta was killed. Edit Quote: The beginning is the same for everyone. The changes come when you pick a faction to align with and do their quests to prove your loyalty. There are 5 factions and staying with Shaper Rawal your original master as a 6th one. There are 12 endings based upon which side, rebel or shaper, you side with for the final battle, I think. Jeff promises the final part next week. Horahhhh. Unaligned is an option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Randomizer Posted October 3, 2008 Author Share Posted October 3, 2008 Creations are the one thing I really haven't tried beyond the traditional cryoa. I got screwed over by a game bug and couldn't buy shaping training for what I wanted without restarting my game. So I'll need a new character to really try it. Jeff has been tweaking the costs for some of the creations. Wingbolts were too cheap. I've been running the much maligned guardian without too much difficulty and the agent is a breeze once I figured out how to fix it for the revised spells. I'm trying to find time to get a servile into the main part of the game so I can get more of the fun special dialogue it gets. I tried the new class, but after the aggravation of getting through one area I can't wait to try more powerful creations with it, plus the build needs work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unflappable Drayk Sleeping Dragon Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 Oh, missed a page. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Student of Trinity Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 I've found a couple of battles in which shaping a bunch of disposable battle creations was the key to victory, when nothing else worked. I can't say whether they'll be worth keeping around as starting players, but I think they'll at least have a role. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Randomizer Posted October 3, 2008 Author Share Posted October 3, 2008 I think creations will be helpful, but there are several boss fights where there are area effects that will affect them. Charm and terror seem to be the worst. I think you might have had a problem with your character build, since I could eventually get through all the zones with a single character on torment. Swarms were the worst problem, but liberal use of crystals seems to cure the problem by killing your opponents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody Luca Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 I'm still pulling for the old shaper graphic to come back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Xaiya Posted October 4, 2008 Share Posted October 4, 2008 *sigh* Did you know that you could just replace the graphics in the Data folder? Easy as...killing a goblin with a GOD party. Just make sure the numbers match up, okay? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody Luca Posted October 4, 2008 Share Posted October 4, 2008 I did indeed know this, and I am very computer literate. I just don't want to correct somthing that other people may feel similar on. It's just, I can't see people being in aww/fear of somthing that looks just alittle cheesey. It also looks very female, not to say that's bad, but... You know, Jeff could have made it so you could chose your gender, he has enough graphics for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Sudanna Posted October 4, 2008 Share Posted October 4, 2008 Nalyd thinks the new graphic cool. Very dapper, like a Victorian-era suit. 'Cept not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fledgling Fyora Dragonflame Posted October 4, 2008 Share Posted October 4, 2008 Originally Posted By: Evnissyen I'm hoping he means brand new spells. More spells would be good but for me i never use them, except healing and sometimes fire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan Lifecrafterandnoobeditor Posted October 4, 2008 Share Posted October 4, 2008 I agree with Nebulan on the graphics one, as the Shock Trooper just doesnt look cool. Fingers crossed for jeff to make a awesome graphic for the new race? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unflappable Drayk Xelgion Posted October 4, 2008 Share Posted October 4, 2008 I highly doubt that Jeff is going to make big changes on the graphics for the Players Character, considering how far he is in the game. If he allowed you to choose gender, he would have to edit all of the scripts, replacing "hes" with "shes" and so forth. It could happen, but I doubt it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Dikiyoba Posted October 4, 2008 Share Posted October 4, 2008 Except the PC's gender is never specified in the text anyway. Dikiyoba. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody Luca Posted October 4, 2008 Share Posted October 4, 2008 This is true, the amount of changes required would less then you think. Not that it would matter anyway, if he doesn't put the G1 & 2 shaper back I'll just change it anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Mea Tulpa Posted October 4, 2008 Share Posted October 4, 2008 The real issue is the graphics. As mentioned in the past, apparently those Poser models take a very long time to create and properly render. For that reason, it seems pretty likely that the new image we saw was for the new, 9th class -- which it looked fitting for anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody Luca Posted October 4, 2008 Share Posted October 4, 2008 But for the shaper, new graphic would not be required. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Randomizer Posted October 5, 2008 Author Share Posted October 5, 2008 Jeff had to adjust all the graphics to work with OS 10.5 and he is now using OpenGL so there have been some more changes from the earlier games. The graphics aren't completely the same as in older games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan Lifecrafterandnoobeditor Posted October 5, 2008 Share Posted October 5, 2008 Nice, and yes Nebulan the shaper graphic was cool, but wouldnt it be better if that was your graphic if you shaper align, and you get a graphic radically different if your a rebel? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody Luca Posted October 5, 2008 Share Posted October 5, 2008 I mean not to be rude but I don't understand. Please rephrase. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall A less presumptuous name. Posted October 6, 2008 Share Posted October 6, 2008 i think he's saying that it would be cool to have the graphic of shapers if you ally with them, but have a different graphic for the same character if you side with another faction correct me if im wrong, but thats my understanding Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt Eldibs Posted October 6, 2008 Share Posted October 6, 2008 How about better crafting? I mean, item enhancements and artifact making are neat and all, but it would be nice to actually have something to do with all those iron bars and hammers that seem to be lying around everywhere. Heck, you could even have a few quests involving it, like "I don't have permission to use the enchanted anvil at the fort, but you do. Could you take these items and make this item for me?" And how about those hatchets/hammers actually being usable as a weapon? You can pick up a stick and fend off your foes, but you can't snatch up a nearby hatchet and split some skull? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unflappable Drayk Xelgion Posted October 6, 2008 Share Posted October 6, 2008 Thats one thing I wanted to change, another was the fact of weapon limitations, about 95% of Geneforges melee weapons are swords, that 5% being a stick. Why can't we have hatchets or spears? And ranged weapon are batons and javelins, why not bows? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Nioca Posted October 6, 2008 Share Posted October 6, 2008 I can explain that: with the advent of creations and their abilities to rend their foes, humans didn't need to focus nearly as extensively on mundane weaponry. Who needs to invent bows when you already have the living equivalent of a semi-automatic pistol? Who needs cannons when you have Artila? As for why swords only, as stated before, not that much attention needs to be paid toward mundane kinds of weaponry. That said, the weapons racks seen in GF3 and GF4 do contain spears, pikes, and halberds. More likely, the reason spears aren't used is because the Shapers' standing army breathes fire and lacks opposable thumbs. Well, mostly. And the Shapers probably would refrain from carrying weapons that could slow them down or interfere with Shaping. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Randomizer Posted October 6, 2008 Author Share Posted October 6, 2008 I think a simpler explanation is Jeff got lazy. The older Exile games had axes and crushing weapons. Jeff cut back on weapon types and now we just have the sword class. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Acky Posted October 6, 2008 Share Posted October 6, 2008 Frankly, I have always found it annoying that we see spears and halbergs but we can't use them. Thats like giving a monkey a banna peal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unflappable Drayk Xelgion Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 Originally Posted By: Randomizer we just have the sword class. No, no, not the sword class the "melee" class. Tongue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt Eldibs Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 Quote: I can explain that: with the advent of creations and their abilities to rend their foes, humans didn't need to focus nearly as extensively on mundane weaponry. Yes, but in the wilder parts of the world (where the first four games take place), Shapers aren't exactly found on every street corner. For instance, in Geneforge 3, you find something like 1-3 full shapers per island MAXIMUM. Besides, don't forget that outsiders are often hired by the Shapers as bodyguards/warriors/etc... and need effective weaponry to defend themselves. Quote: More likely, the reason spears aren't used is because the Shapers' standing army breathes fire and lacks opposable thumbs. If memory serves correctly, Thahds and Battle Alphas/Betas serve as the backbone of the Shaper army. Surely if they can use armor (as evidenced by them dropping Chitin/Iron armor fairly regularly) they can use weapons too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Acky Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 Still, the shapers wouldn't give their creations weapons in the possible event a Battle Alpha would go rogue. An angry Battle Alpha gone rogue is bad enough without a halberd. As for human warriors, creations are the majority of Shaper armies so they would care about their creations before thier Human warriors. And only GF2 takes place in the wilderness. GF1 takes place on an abandoned shaper research iland. GF3 is on some distant small ilands in the middle of the ocean. Gf4 takes place in the already settled Eastern Terristia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Dikiyoba Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 Maybe the combat styles in the Geneforge world make swords really effective, while spears and other weapons are not. (Dikiyoba just ignores the weapon racks. They're obviously there just to make places prettier, like all those shelves with stuff on them you can't loot.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curious Artila Arori4 Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 This is gonna be soooo awesome, Alwan dying and the rebel ending was so likely but with Alwan still, shapers have a chance. What about Miranda? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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