Xaiya Posted July 23, 2008 Share Posted July 23, 2008 It says that in G4 you can play through the whole game using only stealth and diplomacy. In other words...not fighting at all. However, how do you do the final battle if you do that, and aren't there other areas where you have to fight? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sudanna Posted July 23, 2008 Share Posted July 23, 2008 If it's the Shaper ending, you can mess with the machinery and let the Shaper forces fight for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randomizer Posted July 23, 2008 Share Posted July 23, 2008 Some areas allow you to recruit helpers. Greenfang and later the caravan for the Forsaken Lands, the servile from the Rebel Safehouse, the different people in the Fens, the rebel in Poryphra Ruins, and the Shaper forces or Rebel forces for the last battle. You will have to skip several area since you can't fight using stealth or your allies won't accompany you. So plan on a short game with low experience. Push mental magic so you can daze and run. I think the message is a holdover from earlier games where there were several areas that required stealth, leadership, and mechanics to avoid zones of fighting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feo Takahari Posted July 29, 2008 Share Posted July 29, 2008 It actually does look like if you build up Leadership and Mechanics really, really high, you can get through to the end of the game and the final battle without going into combat mode. (Luring a foe to an NPC that kills them apparently doesn't count, based on the message when you repair that pylon after using the Geneforge.) What you need combat to do is play the side quests--there's no way to negotiate with that drake with the dent in its head. Oh well. The fellow just to the south of the first rebel hideout who gives you all those quests does say that trying to beat the game without fighting is "a difficult path. Perhaps unreasonably so." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xaiya Posted August 2, 2008 Author Share Posted August 2, 2008 No, it is nearly impossible to avoid entering combat mode. Besides, I need to be in combat mode in order to daze and run. I'm actually thinking of trying this. What do you think is the best class for this? Edit - Maybe something with strong magic so I can use daze more easily? I don't want creations. Also, since healing magic is under shaping, does that mean that strong shaping abilities will make it cost less? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sudanna Posted August 2, 2008 Share Posted August 2, 2008 Probably the Infiltrator. High magic for strong dazing would be best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dikiyoba Posted August 2, 2008 Share Posted August 2, 2008 Originally Posted By: Iffy Also, since healing magic is under shaping, does that mean that strong shaping abilities will make it cost less? Yes. And weak shaping will make it cost more. Dikiyoba. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randomizer Posted August 2, 2008 Share Posted August 2, 2008 I have to look it up, but I think Servile gives better starting abilities for leadership and mechanics plus higher health. It really comes down to how much combat avoidance you want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xaiya Posted August 2, 2008 Author Share Posted August 2, 2008 I want to avoid all combat possible. That is the point to this challenge. How to I keep from fighting Monarch? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John S Posted August 2, 2008 Share Posted August 2, 2008 Originally Posted By: Iffy I want to avoid all combat possible. That is the point to this challenge. How to I keep from fighting Monarch? Hmm. That's a good question. I finished about a month ago, but if I remember correctly you have to face him in combat. However, you don't have to actually deal any damage. Steal one of Monarch's magic sticks. As his creations approach you, they will be converted to your side. Then let his own creations attack him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dikiyoba Posted August 3, 2008 Share Posted August 3, 2008 Yeah. Make sure you have 11 leadership and stand back. It will probably take a very long time, though. Dikiyoba. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xaiya Posted August 3, 2008 Author Share Posted August 3, 2008 Okay, then. So far I have not directly killed a creature myself. Others have been doing it. I will lead hostile creatures back to friendly creatures (if they are there) as much as I can to make it a little easier. The pylon in upper southforge has taken care of the things there. The warrior person and his thalds have taken care of enemies outside Southforge. I just lead them back. Usually, when other people kill things, I don't get experience. Occasionally, though, I do get the experience. Interesting, though as long as I don't kill anything myself, it's fine. Edit - I'm stuck. I have no idea how to do it. You know that caravan thing? How you help it fight stuff? How if you don't help it fight stuff they will all die? I haven't tried the quest yet, so I don't know if sitting back and watching them fight stuff for me will work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evnissyen Posted August 3, 2008 Share Posted August 3, 2008 Now that I think of it... Is there a way to talk sense into Monarch before he drains you? Having high Leadership doesn't seem to do it. I hate being drained of skills I've worked so hard to acquire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dikiyoba Posted August 3, 2008 Share Posted August 3, 2008 Monarch doesn't drain you; Moseh does. You avoid it by having Alwan's quest and convincing Eliza or Shaftoe to help you. Edit: Originally Posted By: Iffy Edit - I'm stuck. I have no idea how to do it. You know that caravan thing? How you help it fight stuff? How if you don't help it fight stuff they will all die? I haven't tried the quest yet, so I don't know if sitting back and watching them fight stuff for me will work. You buff them, heal them, use spores, daze, or whatever else you can do to keep the caravan alive. Dikiyoba. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evnissyen Posted August 3, 2008 Share Posted August 3, 2008 Oh... right. Moseh is the one I meant. I think I remember now: Monarch's the piggy in the middle who thinks he's "captured" Khyryk. I remember. The army of technicians, and all. I think I do remember being able to keep Moseh from draining me on my second run through when I took the quest to repair him... but when I went in there on first-run to kill him, I couldn't keep myself from getting drained. I remember doing a test by boosting my leadership (via cheat) to a higher level than should normally be useful even by end-game, but it still made no difference. I then assumed it was just something I'd have to live with. I suppose nobody's going to prove me wrong? Please? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randomizer Posted August 3, 2008 Share Posted August 3, 2008 Nope, Moseh drains you of stats and/or skills if you don't have Alwan's Repair Moseh quest. Iffy - Getting that caravan through without fighting involves dazing the opposition and some luck. You can't control what the caravan targets, please let the thorn weilding serviles attack the pyroroamers instead of the melee fighters. So buff and massive healing since you get more experience the more that make it through. Keep in fight mode to better position yourself. I did it once as a beta test and it took several tries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dikiyoba Posted August 3, 2008 Share Posted August 3, 2008 Originally Posted By: Randomizer Nope, Moseh drains you of stats and/or skills if you don't have Alwan's Repair Moseh quest. And if you took the quest but never convinced Eliza or Shaftoe to help you. The correct dialogue choices are "General Alwan sent me. You are ill, and I am here to help restore you." and then "Eliza/Shaftoe will take control of your creations, releasing the burden on you. Then you will be able to rest and regain your strength." After that, you can get free. And then, you can kill him. Or restore him. Dikiyoba. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilith Posted August 4, 2008 Share Posted August 4, 2008 If for some reason you don't want to take the Repair Moseh quest, you can bring Khur with you instead. You'll still be drained, but only once instead of twice (as long as you pick the correct options). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A less presumptuous name. Posted August 4, 2008 Share Posted August 4, 2008 who's khur?? and with the right dialogue, you don't get drained at all, like dikiyoba said Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dikiyoba Posted August 4, 2008 Share Posted August 4, 2008 A depressed servile hanging out in the northwest quadrant of Illya Safehouse. You might need to use the tab key to find him, since there are a few other serviles in that area too. Dikiyoba. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sudanna Posted August 4, 2008 Share Posted August 4, 2008 Just be ready for him to die. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randomizer Posted August 4, 2008 Share Posted August 4, 2008 You also need a fairly Rebel reputation for him to come along. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A less presumptuous name. Posted August 5, 2008 Share Posted August 5, 2008 RIGHT i remember him! yea, im never rebel-enough to get him, well, my first playthrough was shaper, and i never tried again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evnissyen Posted August 5, 2008 Share Posted August 5, 2008 Hmm... I remember the dialogue that Dikiyoba wrote out... and I remember the captive serviles rebelling (and consequently their getting killed)... but for some reason I do not remember Khur, oh well. It really was a while ago. One forgets these details. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xaiya Posted August 5, 2008 Author Share Posted August 5, 2008 If this is somehow successful, should I write a Faq for this? I don't think there is one. Also, have anyone else tried this? I'm just wondering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randomizer Posted August 5, 2008 Share Posted August 5, 2008 I don't know of a posted game. You can always post results. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xaiya Posted August 6, 2008 Author Share Posted August 6, 2008 The caravan quest was a success. In the Spirefield area, I lead the movable part of the Shaper camp to the caravan guys so that they wouldn't have to deal with them and the turrets all at once. I was lucky on the roamer part because a single thornflinger servile took out most of the roamers. All of the caravan serviles survived (as well as the captain). I then had the drakon shut down the forcefield and I betrayed the caravan so that I wouldn't fight the shaper. So far this "challenge" hasn't been very hard. Though I'm playing this on Normal... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dikiyoba Posted August 7, 2008 Share Posted August 7, 2008 Stealthy! Yes, that was the best Dikiyoba could do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geneforgeisformeyukkyu Posted August 8, 2008 Share Posted August 8, 2008 john, where do you get the Magic stick though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilith Posted August 9, 2008 Share Posted August 9, 2008 Originally Posted By: Geneforgeisformeyukkyu john, where do you get the Magic stick though? Search Monarch's room. There's one in a cabinet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xaiya Posted August 9, 2008 Author Share Posted August 9, 2008 I did a whole bunch of stuff in Illya Province. I could still do more, though. (like spying on Turabi Gate) Doing Eliza's quests to get her to help me with Moseh weren't too bad. The first one was easy, and the second one I only got through because of luck (by leading it to her). I had plenty of leadership so restoring Moseh was easy. Now I am on the quest of rescuing What's His Face (not good with names) from Monarch. (That submission turret just had to be there, didn't it...) Hmm, I have my leadership and mechanics at 11 (without items). Is that good, or should I raise it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dikiyoba Posted August 9, 2008 Share Posted August 9, 2008 That's plenty. Dikiyoba. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randomizer Posted August 9, 2008 Share Posted August 9, 2008 There's only one thing in the Fens that requires more than 25 mechanics so three servile mechanics and what you have will get you past the traps and mines. Turrets and golems are a pain since they can't be dazed by your magnificance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xaiya Posted August 9, 2008 Author Share Posted August 9, 2008 My challenge has come to a grinding, screeching halt. I recruited a Rebel Soldier. I can't use him to attack, I'm just using him as a meat shield. I have enough leadership to "charm" Monarch's creations when they are at full health, but they do little damage to him. He destroys the creations fast before they do very much damage, and he seems to regenerate. I was killed by a not yet charmed creation. Well, this seems possible, but it will take too long. Any tips to speed up the fight? Should I recruit more meat shields? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goldengirl Posted August 9, 2008 Share Posted August 9, 2008 Try using mental magic curses to weaken Monarch, and blessing to speed things up. It'll take a while, but it should work. And healing, to keep your converts alive long enough to speed things up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dikiyoba Posted August 10, 2008 Share Posted August 10, 2008 I seem to recall the cryoa doing some pretty nice damage against Monarch, so keep it alive at all costs. Here's an idea. Bring in three soldiers and stick them at the entrance to his room. It might mess him up. Might help to have a few warriors right in his face, too. Dikiyoba. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geneforgeisformeyukkyu Posted August 10, 2008 Share Posted August 10, 2008 Or you could use the cheat code "dbugkill" to utterly destroy every hostile monster in that map. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xaiya Posted August 10, 2008 Author Share Posted August 10, 2008 Originally Posted By: Geneforgeisformeyukkyu Or you could use the cheat code "dbugkill" to utterly destroy every hostile monster in that map. You're not helping. As for the others: Thank you, Monarch doesn't seem overwhelming anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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