Tenderfoot Thahd alias Posted December 5, 2008 Share Posted December 5, 2008 Ive been playing this game obcessively for a few days now, but ive run into a snag... Im up to the quest where you have to kill the 4 shapers and ive killed all but sage taygen (spelling?)... i cant find him anywhere! Ive been to zephyr oasis and the tower, as well as its cells... where is he? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Randomizer Posted December 5, 2008 Share Posted December 5, 2008 Taygen starts in his throne room in the southwest of Zephyr Oasis and then flees to Kayar's Spire and is in the research area in the northwest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenderfoot Thahd alias Posted December 5, 2008 Author Share Posted December 5, 2008 thats odd... i cleared out both areas with dbugkill and still havnt found him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Lilith Posted December 5, 2008 Share Posted December 5, 2008 Originally Posted By: alias thats odd... i cleared out both areas with dbugkill and still havnt found him And I think we've just found your problem. The way it's supposed to go is that you fight Taygen in Zephyr Oasis, you do some damage to him but can't kill him, and he runs away to Kayar's Spire where you can kill him. Because you just went and killed him by cheating, the event where he runs away never triggered, and so he didn't show up in the spire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody Uberdhizon Posted December 5, 2008 Share Posted December 5, 2008 Oooh! Cheating finally has a punishment! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall The Ratt Posted December 6, 2008 Share Posted December 6, 2008 What do you mean finally? Stuff like that is relatively common with cheaters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenderfoot Thahd alias Posted December 6, 2008 Author Share Posted December 6, 2008 Well how can i fix this without loosing my character? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Lilith Posted December 6, 2008 Share Posted December 6, 2008 If you actually killed him in Kayar's Spire, it should be OK. Sometimes there's a weird dialogue glitch on the Ghaldring path where it gives you the "I have killed the third Council member" option when you've actually killed the fourth, and once you select it the correct option becomes available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenderfoot Thahd alias Posted December 6, 2008 Author Share Posted December 6, 2008 Hmm I will go try it again, i just checked the spire and nobody is alive, thats for sure. Im go check with Ghaldring, but isnt there some flag i can use just in case? I promise i wont cheat anymore lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenderfoot Thahd alias Posted December 6, 2008 Author Share Posted December 6, 2008 (sorry for the double post) I checked the spire and with Ghaldring and there is now "i killed the third shaper" dialogue, and he isnt recognising the death of the fourth shaper... i am thoroughly stuck. Sage Taygen is definitely DEAD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Lilith Posted December 6, 2008 Share Posted December 6, 2008 The cheat code you want to enter is sdf 59 20 4 -- this will mark all four Shaper Council leaders as killed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenderfoot Thahd alias Posted December 6, 2008 Author Share Posted December 6, 2008 Thanks very much! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk pitchblack Posted December 6, 2008 Share Posted December 6, 2008 Quick question, alias- Why do you use dbugkill? It sucks all the fun out of the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Acky Posted December 6, 2008 Share Posted December 6, 2008 (Shrugs) Some people fined it fun to cheat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Randomizer Posted December 6, 2008 Share Posted December 6, 2008 I told Jeff about this topic, but I have the feeling this is just one of those cheat code abuse problems that won't get resolved. Being lazy has its consequences. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenderfoot Thahd alias Posted December 6, 2008 Author Share Posted December 6, 2008 Originally Posted By: pitchblack Quick question, alias- Why do you use dbugkill? It sucks all the fun out of the game. I kno it sucks the fun outa geneforge, but i have other saves that i plan never to cheat in. I just wanted to experience the story quickly before i have fun with the GAME itself do u kno what i mean? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Acky Posted December 6, 2008 Share Posted December 6, 2008 Originally Posted By: alias Originally Posted By: pitchblack Quick question, alias- Why do you use dbugkill? It sucks all the fun out of the game. I kno it sucks the fun outa geneforge, but i have other saves that i plan never to cheat in. Which is better than most. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Alorael at Large Posted December 6, 2008 Share Posted December 6, 2008 If someone enjoys playing by cheating, what's wrong with it? The point of the game isn't winning according to some rules, the point is having fun. If that means cheating, fine. If that requires playing a magic- and creation-free sorceress, enjoy! It's just a game! —Alorael, who examines scripts to determine optimal activities. Yes, that's cheating too. He likes it anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice ex post slarto Posted December 6, 2008 Share Posted December 6, 2008 Right. If you want to use "dbugkill", go ahead -- have fun! However, there's a reason it starts with "dbug". That code is there for debugging purposes, not specifically to aid players like "healmenow". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Alorael at Large Posted December 6, 2008 Share Posted December 6, 2008 Emphasis on the "bug," really. —Alorael, who really thinks editing your character's stats and abusing iamweak and iampoor is a much safer way to barrel through the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody Uberdhizon Posted December 6, 2008 Share Posted December 6, 2008 I think using Iamweak is the worst cheat, other than dbugkill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Alorael at Large Posted December 6, 2008 Share Posted December 6, 2008 Originally Posted By: Me If someone enjoys playing by cheating, what's wrong with it? The point of the game isn't winning according to some rules, the point is having fun. If that means cheating, fine. If that requires playing a magic- and creation-free sorceress, enjoy! It's just a game! iamweak may be the cheat that reduces the game's difficulty most of all the cheats (really only if you use it repeatedly), but there are other ways to cheat even more. I think script editing goes there, especially since you can easily remake iamweak, only more so. Or give yourself thirty points in whatever stat you like. And so on. —Alorael, who will alternately argue that iamweak is the best cheat. If you're going to cheat, you might as well cheat lots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody Uberdhizon Posted December 6, 2008 Share Posted December 6, 2008 I think dbugkill is the worst, actually. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Spidweb Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 I'm a little confused here. How did you find out about the "dbugkill" cheat? It's not in the hint book. It is super-super-duper-unsupported. I don't even use it. It's only in the game by mistake. (One moment ... There. Now it's gone forever.) Anyway. I'm sorry that this messed up your game. I suggest going back to a saved game from before you used it. - Jeff Vogel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice ex post slarto Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 "dbugkill" has been in every Geneforge game I can think of (and possibly some of the other recent releases, not sure). I think it was in one of the early Geneforge hint books, though it's possible it found its way onto these forums from somewhere else. At any rate, it's been fairly common knowledge for years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody Uberdhizon Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 Wait, so is the cheat unusable now or is that just for PC users? If it's just for them, then yippee! We can still use it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Spidweb Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 Originally Posted By: Slarty "dbugkill" has been in every Geneforge game I can think of (and possibly some of the other recent releases, not sure). I think it was in one of the early Geneforge hint books, though it's possible it found its way onto these forums from somewhere else. At any rate, it's been fairly common knowledge for years. Never ever in the hint books. (Got them all right here.) I may have told some testers about it once to help them in testing, years ago, and it leaked out, but it was long ago made obsolete by the more fine-tuned debugging keys I use now. Long story short. I don't support undocumented debug cheats. For, I think, obvious reasons. And, as they get older, they get less safe, not more. - Jeff Vogel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Khoth Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 Originally Posted By: Uberdhizon Wait, so is the cheat unusable now or is that just for PC users? If it's just for them, then yippee! We can still use it. Since Jeff has so far resisted all the calls to turn Geneforge into an MMORPG, it's probably safe to assume that your copy of the game hasn't actually changed. Given the contents of the thread, it's also safe to assume that you shouldn't take advantage of this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall A less presumptuous name. Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 Hm, I remember using it for my cheating play through of GF4, and I think I had it from GF2, but Jeff is right, I remember it being in the hintbook, but it's not. Never doubt The Man. Guess I'm not really sure how I found out about it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan wxxqut Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 I know how I found about it...some guy was asking for cheats at the release of G4 and somebody posted ALL the cheates including dbugkill one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody Ouroboros Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 Does haveasnack and showmeall is included to G5? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unflappable Drayk Sleeping Dragon Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 Geneforge 5 does indeed have showmeall. That's really the only cheat I use. Great for evading patrols, don't understand how people manage without it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Khoth Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 There isn't much patrol-evading to do. Most of them are better off dead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast *i Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 I use 'exitzone' quite a bit because I don't like wasting time going from one place to the exit. I admit I use 'healmenow' and 'rechargeme' to save me from having to go back to a friendly town to recover. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unflappable Drayk Sleeping Dragon Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 I evaded the patrol at the Nodye Gate, the one in Kaz, and I even explored a bit in the Gaziki-Uz lab without being aligned with Ghalding. There are definity some patrols in the game I glad I had the cheat for. And yeah, I use exitzone sometimes too when I'm really far away from an exit and I know I won't end up anywhere strange. Jeff has been getting better at making circular dungeons, though, so I've been using it far less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Alorael at Large Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 I agree with *i. If I'm at the edge of a zone with access to towns or can easily reach the edge, I recharge by cheating to save myself time. I'm slightly too afraid of exitzone to use it. The rest are too cheaty for me. —Alorael, who would guess that dbugkill will be removed in the next Mac patch as well as in the Windows release. Enjoy breaking your game while you can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Articulate Vlish Ohtar Posted December 10, 2008 Share Posted December 10, 2008 On gamefaqs for GF1, it says dbugkill was posted by drakefyre- it's listed seperate from the others. Maybe that's the leak? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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