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Originally Posted By: Randomizer
I know Slarty discussed Shapers, but the last time I restored the links I couldn't find the topics. I think for the early part of the game on the second island, you create 7 vlish and that will get you through until you can get better creations.

Delayed response here, but: you create 7 vlish as early as possible and that gets you through the entire GAME. Due to the grossly overpowered nature of G3 Vlish, and due to the breakable way G3 handles levelling up creations, 7 vlish allow you to coast through the entire game even on Torment.

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I'm replaying Geneforge 1 and 2 (and will move on through 3 and 4)while spinning my wheels and waiting for the fifth and final frown game to be released for Windows. But... I have an ongoing problem.

 

Has anybody ever figured out a way to maneuver all these factions into getting along? How about any two of them? I keep thinking that there must be some way, some key response or combination of decisions, that would work out a way for everybody to get what they need...

 

Is it a forgone conclusion that there must be a single way? Am I doomed before I even start? confused

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In GF1, I don't know what basis for compromise the factions have. The Awakened think that the Obeyers are pathetic and the Takers are crazy. The Obeyers are scared of the other two. The Takers think that the Obeyers are sniveling and the Awakened aren't extreme enough. When they all fundamentally disagree, compromise is tricky.

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Originally Posted By: Kelandon
In GF1, I don't know what basis for compromise the factions have. The Awakened think that the Obeyers are pathetic and the Takers are crazy. The Obeyers are scared of the other two. The Takers think that the Obeyers are sniveling and the Awakened aren't extreme enough. When they all fundamentally disagree, compromise is tricky.


And in hindsight, it's pretty clear that the Takers were crazy but also right. It's kind of depressing that in light of what happens in future games, the "Trajkov wins" ending would clearly have produced a better result than the canonical path.
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Originally Posted By: FragmentFour
Has anybody ever figured out a way to maneuver all these factions into getting along? How about any two of them? I keep thinking that there must be some way, some key response or combination of decisions, that would work out a way for everybody to get what they need...
It's impossible; believe me, I've tried. And tried. And tried (in G1-G3 anyway). Each faction seems too narrow-minded and stubborn to listen to what the others have to say, to the point that merely hinting at suggesting a compromise can be hazardous to your health.
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