Janitorial Closet Posted July 14, 2008 Share Posted July 14, 2008 Okay, I just got the unaligned ending (you go on the sailboat, you accomplish nothing) in G1. I was wondering- I seem to recall multiple people mentioning that this ending is the most "correct" one to lead in to G2. But if that was true, wouldn't the fact that Trajkov was in the middle of taking over the Shapers be a big plot element in G2? So, a more correct ending would be one in which you kill Trajkov, then escape on the sailboat unaligned immediately afterwords right? EDIT: I had an extra comma in there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brock The Archmage Posted July 15, 2008 Share Posted July 15, 2008 yeah, an unaligned Shaper who kills Trajkov and not one other leader is the most accurate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mystic Posted July 16, 2008 Share Posted July 16, 2008 I thought the unaligned ending was to kill Trajkov, destroy the Geneforge, and then leave. If you don't destroy the Geneforge, the Shapers that the council sends to Sucia will be able to find & use it; I don't remember that being the case in G2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dikiyoba Posted July 16, 2008 Share Posted July 16, 2008 It's been a long time, but Dikiyoba thinks any ending where the Geneforge is destroyed results in the Obeyers being accepted by the Shapers and any ending where someone uses the Geneforge results in the Awakened being able to live freely. So Dikiyoba is not sure any ending is entirely correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anonymous Posted July 16, 2008 Share Posted July 16, 2008 I played G2, the game said that the Awakened had to flee or die, the Takers had it worse, the Shapers destroyed the Geneforge themselves, and there was no mention of Trajkov, so I think he was killed. The Obeyers were killed too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evnissyen Posted July 21, 2008 Share Posted July 21, 2008 EDIT: I'm taking my post back. Right of ownership. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feo Takahari Posted July 29, 2008 Share Posted July 29, 2008 Regarding Mystic (still can't figure out the quote function, sorry): actually, Barzahl says that he was among those sent to destroy the Geneforge after the protagonist of the first game discovered its existence. He did so, but he copied the design. Therefore, it must not have been destroyed by the hero. Other clues: In game 2, some servile (sorry, don't remember who) references "another [shaper] who did not treat us as slaves." Therefore, the first hero didn't join the Obeyers. Also, the first Trakovite in game 4, Dewey or whatever his name was, talked of how Trajkov "sacrificed himself" in a way that implied he used the Geneforge! (Maybe canonically you choose that dialogue option about "It was a mistake to help you, Trajkov." But were you really expected to survive that fight?) All in all, this seems like a question only one man can answer. Don't be shy, Mr. Vogel--we may be pissed at you over Blades of Avernum, but we're still grateful you created Geneforge and satisfied everyone's need for no-holds-barred deathmatch Pokemon! P.S. In case he doesn't answer, hehe, I just remembered a possible way around the conundrum with either the Awakened being free or the Obeyers becoming a new level of servile slave. If you kill either Ellrah or Rydell, their group will get a different ending. Maybe our hero was a Taker before turning on Trajkov. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dikiyoba Posted July 29, 2008 Share Posted July 29, 2008 Drewry's information on Trajkov is definitely not reliable. He doesn't even know Trajkov's correct name, and pretty much admits it's impossible to know what really happened. Also, Jeff is not around on the board very often, so if you really want to ask him a question, you'll have to send him an e-mail. spidweb (at) spiderwebsoftware (dot) com Dikiyoba. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brock The Archmage Posted July 29, 2008 Share Posted July 29, 2008 I killed Trajkov with little effort. I was an agent and had no creations. It's all about using the battlefield to your advantage, and what the plan of attack is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acky Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 I cant remember exactly, but Gnorrel(G1 taker leader) was killed by the G1 player right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Safey Posted August 2, 2008 Share Posted August 2, 2008 Originally Posted By: Brock The Archmage I killed Trajkov with little effort. I was an agent and had no creations. It's all about using the battlefield to your advantage, and what the plan of attack is. I usually let him use the geneforge then kill him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelandon Posted August 2, 2008 Share Posted August 2, 2008 I tried doing that with Easss in GF2 yesterday, and it was just a little more effort than I wanted to put in. The GF should be stronger: if you let the enemy use it, fighting that enemy should be like fighting Rentar in A3 (possible, but obscenely hard). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evnissyen Posted August 3, 2008 Share Posted August 3, 2008 ...Or else the game should provide some reasonable explanation for your character's extraordinary talent. I'm not complaining about the extraordinary talent I have in SW games... it's just that I wish I knew a good reason why I should be in possession of it, and why nobody but me seems to notice that I'm unduly powerful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sudanna Posted August 4, 2008 Share Posted August 4, 2008 Nalyd says they're all descendants of the G1 Shaper, assuming the Obeyer/destroyed the Geneforge ending. And that all those canisters passed on abnormal amounts of Shaping talent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dikiyoba Posted August 4, 2008 Share Posted August 4, 2008 Dikiyoba doesn't think enough time passed between G1 and G2 for that to be possible. The Shapers probably explored Sucia Island reasonably quickly and Zakary and Barzahl hadn't been at Drypeak for that long either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sudanna Posted August 4, 2008 Share Posted August 4, 2008 Nalyd knows. But he likes to delude himself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brock The Archmage Posted August 4, 2008 Share Posted August 4, 2008 Originally Posted By: Safey Originally Posted By: Brock The Archmage I killed Trajkov with little effort. I was an agent and had no creations. It's all about using the battlefield to your advantage, and what the plan of attack is. I usually let him use the geneforge then kill him I did let him use the Geneforge, I just go to every area and level up a lot. EDIT: fighting Rentar in A3 was insane, and if I remember right it was worse in E3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mystic Posted August 5, 2008 Share Posted August 5, 2008 Originally Posted By: feo takahari Regarding Mystic (still can't figure out the quote function, sorry): actually, Barzahl says that he was among those sent to destroy the Geneforge after the protagonist of the first game discovered its existence. He did so, but he copied the design. Therefore, it must not have been destroyed by the hero. If you say so. I'll have to tave your word in any case, since I normally don't bother with canon. Also, I've had a thought: Wouldn't the design for the original geneforge have been written down somewhere on Sucia Island? The shapers of the time probably wouldn't have wanted that knowledge to be totally lost. Barzahl says he destroyed the geneforge and copied the design, but could he have therefore stolen the original plans instead? It certainly seems possible from my point of view, unless Zakary can back up what Barzahl said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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