Tenderfoot Thahd isjoeythere Posted March 24, 2007 Share Posted March 24, 2007 It sure was refreshing having new creatures in Geneforge 4, but I missed the role that Alwan and Greta played. The other dude showed up too late in the game and just didn't really cut it. Do y'all reckon that we'll see more creations in G5? What about the ability to shape your own living tools? Serviles? Why not? I wonder what would happen if the Shapers found another nation of Shaping peoples, with their own separate strain of creations (forget the fyora). It would definately be interesting. Although it sounds like the next focus for the Spiderweb team is Nethergate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Lilith Posted March 24, 2007 Share Posted March 24, 2007 Being able to shape living tools would kinda defeat the purpose of having living tools in the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Leftover Sauerkraut Posted March 24, 2007 Share Posted March 24, 2007 Quote: The other dude showed up too late in the game and just didn't really cut it. Whose the other dude? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chittering Clawbug Gabriel Posted March 25, 2007 Share Posted March 25, 2007 There is a shaper who can join you later in the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chittering Clawbug TJC Shaper Posted March 25, 2007 Share Posted March 25, 2007 Geneforge 5 dosent exist yet. if it going to be made it would come out between 2008-2018 or (stupid year for G5 to come out) 2100 a.k.a. 22 century Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Student of Trinity Posted March 25, 2007 Share Posted March 25, 2007 2100 is only plausible if Jeff becomes a crystal soul. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chittering Clawbug Gabriel Posted March 25, 2007 Share Posted March 25, 2007 Speaking of the year 2100. How are we going to register our demos once everyone associated with Spiderweb software is long dead? Is Jeff going to release the freeware versions of his games on his deathbed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Xaiya Posted March 25, 2007 Share Posted March 25, 2007 Just wait untill Jeff reads all of this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Lilith Posted March 25, 2007 Share Posted March 25, 2007 Quote: Originally written by Gabriel's Horn:Is Jeff going to release the freeware versions of his games on his deathbed? If you're thinking of doing what I think you're thinking of doing, don't try it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt Aequitas Posted March 25, 2007 Share Posted March 25, 2007 Quote: Originally written by Thuryl: Quote: Originally written by Gabriel's Horn:Is Jeff going to release the freeware versions of his games on his deathbed? If you're thinking of doing what I think you're thinking of doing, don't try it. Don't try it? Don't Do It. Period. I'm personally hoping Jeff will live to a ripe old age and make everyone happy with a few more Avernum/Geneforge games. Would you kill that happiness in cold blood? Would you? I hope not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chittering Clawbug Gabriel Posted March 25, 2007 Share Posted March 25, 2007 Why are you putting words in my mouth? I never said anything about harming Jeff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Kelandon Posted March 25, 2007 Share Posted March 25, 2007 Thuryl's humor is wasted on the stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Emperor Tullegolar Posted March 25, 2007 Share Posted March 25, 2007 I wonder if Jeff has ever had an offer from a big company to buy the Avernum or Geneforge franchises. They have a great, original story, the hard part is already done. Imagine what some huge company with a bottomless pocketbook and teams of designers could do with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Kelandon Posted March 25, 2007 Share Posted March 25, 2007 Wonder no more. If Jeff had ever gotten such an offer, he almost certainly would've taken it and would be rolling in the dough right now (and not making any more games). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt Upon Mars. Posted March 26, 2007 Share Posted March 26, 2007 Are you sure of that? Could it be the last stand of spider web software? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Khoth Posted March 26, 2007 Share Posted March 26, 2007 The story isn't the hard part. The hard part is fleshing out all the details to make a game, and making a game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgeoning Battle Gamma Eugi Posted March 27, 2007 Share Posted March 27, 2007 Quote: Originally written by Kelandon:Wonder no more. If Jeff had ever gotten such an offer, he almost certainly would've taken it and would be rolling in the dough right now (and not making any more games). Ehhh, from what I understand things are rarely that cut and dry. I doubt Jeff would take any offer that would not allow him to maintain creative control of all the series. (Even then there's always a chance of Jeff being muscled out from that position in favour of profits). Furthermore I doubt that just because someone bought Jeff's IP he would want to stop making games. He might have to upgrade his skills (LOL CANISTER) but I'd think he'd join the new team to work on the next game. Finally I hope everyoen realizes that Jeff is doing this more out of love and as a hobby instead of for the money. Even though I wish him the best I doubt he'll ever roll in a Ferrari because of this job or because his company was purchased. Edit: On topic - Yes, I would love to have more NPCs join your party! I've read the complaints saying "But that'd make Shapers useless and obsolete! Also, look at the design for the first game!" and I think they are rubbish! I've yet to read of anyone who made their Shaper so powerfull through casual gameplay that they were controlling seven usefull creations. Having one or two human NPCs that can join you can add to the atmosphere, break up the monotony and, (if Jeff were to write it) provide some between-NPC interaction. Love? Backstory? Greta and Alwan are as flat and one-dimensional, despite Jeff's considerable writing talent! So yes, I say bring on the party NPCs in the next Geneforge (or next game that Jeff is working on in general)!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chittering Clawbug Sir Spiff Posted March 28, 2007 Share Posted March 28, 2007 Quote: Originally written by Emperor Tullegolar:Imagine what some huge company with a bottomless pocketbook and teams of designers could do with it. They could ruin it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Emperor Tullegolar Posted March 28, 2007 Share Posted March 28, 2007 Quote: Originally written by Khoth: The story isn't the hard part. The hard part is fleshing out all the details to make a game, and making a game. True. I guess what I meant was that Avernum and Geneforge are already franchises with a fanbase, and that's what companies like. Sure Jeff wouldn't get as much money as, say, the guys who sold out Fallout, but selling would be better than the alternative of retiring the series. Or when Jeff dies (many many years from now) his family could sell it, make some money, we'd get more games, everybody wins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt Upon Mars. Posted March 28, 2007 Share Posted March 28, 2007 The true hard part has yet to come since spiderweb has difficulties with merchandising. The best we can do know is to try to help them in any way. How about making people know about those games? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Sudanna Posted March 28, 2007 Share Posted March 28, 2007 Well, Nalyd shamelessly advertises on every forum he can, even when they ban him for it(Runescape, the ****-pile). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan Questionmarks. Posted April 18, 2007 Share Posted April 18, 2007 LOL,Runescape...I still have a level 98 account from there... Wouldn't it be nice if in G5 it was longer,and you could make your own base,or lab,and make your own pylons and turrets? I was hoping the game to be longer so you could at least reach level 50-60,because i only made it to 45,and that is from killing -EVERYONE- In your lab,you can do your own experimental creations,I really,really wanna make those... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Emperor Tullegolar Posted April 18, 2007 Share Posted April 18, 2007 I've been saying for a while now that there should be a yourself faction, where you build your own geneforge from components collected throughout the game in your basement (Shaper Monarch style) and then use it to take over the world. What better way to end the series? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Sudanna Posted April 18, 2007 Share Posted April 18, 2007 Ooh! That might actually be feasible, even if the programming would jack up the price to $50 and delay the release for a year! At the beginning, you can either pick to go on normally, or create your own faction with a complex set of questions on Shaping restrictions, creation rights, and the like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgeoning Battle Gamma Eugi Posted April 18, 2007 Share Posted April 18, 2007 But guys, all these things about base building and stuff totally change the game! You are going from a single-player turn-based RPG that's mostly played solo to a Dungeon Keeper hybrid of some sort. Personally I would like some customization in the series (for example, in GF3 I loved coming to each island and picking out a "home" for my character. Cleaning it up and organizing my stack of supplies there). But I'd rather avoid dealing with micro-management of "research", resources and base building. tl;dr - Remember the "spirit" of the game. The things you describe sound cool but would they really add to the Geneforge experience? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Sudanna Posted April 18, 2007 Share Posted April 18, 2007 True. But we can always pointlessly hope for a Blades of Geneforge RTS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Emperor Tullegolar Posted April 19, 2007 Share Posted April 19, 2007 My idea wouldn't have all that base building nonsense. Just a room with a vat of essense. You bring components to it (found by defeating other factions), and by the end of the game it becomes a geneforge. You would be a one man faction, of course. After all, why would anyone want to help you build a geneforge? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgeoning Battle Gamma Eugi Posted April 20, 2007 Share Posted April 20, 2007 Quote: Originally written by Emperor Tullegolar:My idea wouldn't have all that base building nonsense. Just a room with a vat of essense. You bring components to it (found by defeating other factions), and by the end of the game it becomes a geneforge. You would be a one man faction, of course. After all, why would anyone want to help you build a geneforge? The problem that I see with the "one-man faction" is that it would defeat the drawing point of the game. Said 'point' is that there is no perfect side that you ultimately must pick (as seen in events of GF3 and 4, no more fence sitting). I also share what I perceive to be your "The only man to whom I am loyal is the one I see in the mirror each morning" mentality but realize that GF wouldn't be what it is if I could just kill everyone on each map irregardless of consequences and loot them. It is frustration (Lord knows I want to kill some Sholai in GF1 after allying myself with them for some exp!) but more engaging to work within a tighter framework. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Emperor Tullegolar Posted April 20, 2007 Share Posted April 20, 2007 In Geneforge 2, if you want the perfect Shaper ending, the best thing to do it to kill everyone on every map. The one man faction would not only be a great way to end the series (most people agree that they don't feel comfortable with any single faction) but it would also be a worthy challenge to play through without that extra help from a faction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Articulate Vlish Morior Posted April 20, 2007 Share Posted April 20, 2007 But not feeling comfortable with any faction is one of the things that makes the series great (at least in my opinion). There's no obvious good or evil, just different shades of grey. The choice of which shade is lighter is one of the best part of the games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Emperor Tullegolar Posted April 20, 2007 Share Posted April 20, 2007 It's not like this ending would be perfect. Geneforges make you crazy, you know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk DokEnkephalin Posted April 20, 2007 Share Posted April 20, 2007 More crafting. Fewer spores, pods and living tools but a variety of raw materials that could be used to craft the resources to suit a given build. And how about all those broken swords and batons around the land; why not make them repairable with the iron bars and planks of wood, to be used or sold? Perhaps some of them might have surprising and exceptional properties. The forges could be easier to reach, but getting the right hammer or tongs might be necessary for crafting items of rare quality and the more powerful artifacts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgeoning Battle Gamma Eugi Posted April 21, 2007 Share Posted April 21, 2007 Tullegloar - You answered your own question, so to say. To get the perfect Shaper ending you could (and should) kill everything in GF2. THat's not the same as fighting for yourself. Also, as I mentioned earlier, four games consisting of little more than clearing out a map of all living things and looting it would get boring very quickly. Enkephalin - Sounds cool! I just wish that Jeff owuld revamp the inventory system prior to doing that. Prime example - give us some bags please! This makes organization much easier and allows you to haul around more things. At the very least combine the inventory system from GF1 and GF3 where hitting G doesn't bring up the whole inventory (only the get nearest items) and hitting I for inventory brings up your avatar doll, equipped and bagged items and a place to drop items on the ground. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt Lord Safey Posted April 22, 2007 Share Posted April 22, 2007 It would be near to have your own base. I could understand if we have minimal customaztion capablitys buy it still be ours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unflappable Drayk Jeran Korak Posted April 22, 2007 Share Posted April 22, 2007 Quote: Originally written by Eugi:But guys, all these things about base building and stuff totally change the game! You are going from a single-player turn-based RPG that's mostly played solo to a Dungeon Keeper hybrid of some sort. Personally I would like some customization in the series (for example, in GF3 I loved coming to each island and picking out a "home" for my character. Cleaning it up and organizing my stack of supplies there). But I'd rather avoid dealing with micro-management of "research", resources and base building. tl;dr - Remember the "spirit" of the game. The things you describe sound cool but would they really add to the Geneforge experience? Hell, I'd happily pay 100$ for a game like that and blast the delays! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgeoning Battle Gamma Eugi Posted April 23, 2007 Share Posted April 23, 2007 Well that's you dude, but I doubt that's really anyone else here though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenderfoot Thahd wonkyth Posted April 27, 2007 Share Posted April 27, 2007 Quote: Thuryl's humor is wasted on the stupid. I agree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seasoned Roamer Nepharim Posted April 29, 2007 Share Posted April 29, 2007 I'd like nothing more than to play a hatchling creator Drayk or Drakon, or both, I'd give my left eye, arm, leg for that. Make your pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Xaiya Posted May 2, 2007 Share Posted May 2, 2007 You always play a shaper/lifecrafter. Edit -playing otherwise would be an imbalance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seasoned Roamer Nepharim Posted May 3, 2007 Share Posted May 3, 2007 Their are creations that create, right? In Geneforge 4 you have the ability to play as a servile. And at least Drakons have shaping abilities. Don't know about Drayks for certain, but It'd be awesome to play one of those two. And they're part of the rebellion, well, in a way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt Suspicious Vlish Posted May 3, 2007 Share Posted May 3, 2007 Maybe as a reward for joining the Drakons, you could be shaped into a Drakon! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seasoned Roamer Nepharim Posted May 3, 2007 Share Posted May 3, 2007 Sounds a bit far fetched, I have no idea, all I know is that they shape themselves in new forms, but those forms are still all Drakon related, say, Drakon to Ur-Drakon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt Suspicious Vlish Posted May 3, 2007 Share Posted May 3, 2007 Nepharim: Quote: All I know is that they shape themselves in new forms, but those forms are still all Drakon related, say, Drakon to Ur-Drakon. Drayk -> Drakon -> Ur-Drakon From memory, if you use the Geneforge in GF2, you start to grow claws and scales (?), until the transformation goes wrong and you die in horrible agony. I'm not so sure if it's far fetched. A lot more genetic modification is needed for a human-Drakon transformation than a Drayk-Drakon transformation, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seasoned Roamer Nepharim Posted May 4, 2007 Share Posted May 4, 2007 I didn't play Geneforge 2 though, I probably should- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chittering Clawbug TJC Shaper Posted June 26, 2007 Share Posted June 26, 2007 if jeff was making another geneforge what type would you pick? (geneforge only votes) geneforge 5 blades of geneforge multiplayer online geneforge those be your only choices. i gona make a poll for it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Sudanna Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 Please don't post the same thing in a dead topic as you already have in a topic of your own making. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chittering Clawbug Lowbacca Posted July 10, 2007 Share Posted July 10, 2007 Jeff could create an "unlockable" character. That could make things interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenderfoot Thahd tj Posted July 10, 2007 Share Posted July 10, 2007 I was thinking about the possibility of creating servant minds but they could actually move instead of being immobile. And they could join you on your quest(s). And you could create serviles of any kind. and possibly create charged Fyoras,charged cryoas,clones of yourself,and you could get anyone to join you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenderfoot Thahd tj Posted July 10, 2007 Share Posted July 10, 2007 i'm thinking you could create the unbound creations like unbound golems,unbound serviles,unbound drakons,unbound battle alphas,unbound Rotghroths,unbound ornks,unbound drayks,unbound shapers,and finally some unbound artillas to boot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Sudanna Posted July 11, 2007 Share Posted July 11, 2007 No. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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