Magnificent Ornk Ephesos Posted September 27, 2004 Share Posted September 27, 2004 I'm planning (and have started work on) a scenario revolving around an order of druids who've had their leader kidnapped. The druids are supposed to be the driving force behind the stability of the valley they live in, supporting the few settlements therein. Up for creation: treehouse temples, treants of some sort, recreating Find Herbs in the likeness of an item, divine intervention, and a plot which changes to suit the party's nature lore skill. The other main part of the scenario will be on the other side of an incredibly rugged mountain range (which will make up the middle part of the scenario), and will focus on fighting the druids' enemy (who kidnapped their leader), an order of drakes and lizards bent on chaos and self-indulgence. Slated for development: a shadow drake, fire-breathing chickens, working sewers (an oddity in the land of the Empire), the revived ability of flight, and acolytes which bear a strange resemblance to Garzahd. Does any of this sound remotely plausible to anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unflappable Drayk Djur Revolutions Posted September 27, 2004 Share Posted September 27, 2004 Specifics are always the least important part of scenarios. A vague sense of the plot and a laundry list of different "neat things" included doesn't exactly engender faith in the coherence and plot. Why are you asking, anyway? If you like the idea, go ahead with it. If you feel you must put "neat things" in it, then plan it out -- don't hinge your scenario on such a thing until you know you're able to do it. The best way to find out whether something is feasible is just to do it. This is a young medium -- if someone had asked in '99 whether movies could be made with Blades of Exile, they probably would have received a categorical no. Blades of Avernum is new enough that even the supposed "experts" are just ahead of the curve -- there's a lot of stuff nobody's explored yet. Just go ahead and do it, and let us know if you pull it off. By releasing it, of course. Oh, and there seems to be a negative correlation between the amount of talking the designer does about a scenario and the likelihood of it being completed. Just letting you know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Donald Hebb Posted September 28, 2004 Share Posted September 28, 2004 There are three people who have talked up scenarios pre-release and actually have produced quality products. Namely, Alcritas, Stareye and myself. Put bluntly- maybe experts can do it; newbies cannot. (Most of my smaller scenarios are one-week design sprees, basically.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chittering Clawbug You get NOTHING Posted September 28, 2004 Share Posted September 28, 2004 Dear Corrigere, Experienced editors are nothing more then long time newbies. If you had not created Roses of Reckoning I might believe you when you suggest that you have any "worthwhile" experience in this category. I am a newbie, and I have a scenario close to being done that (while I am not bragging, and this is completely a matter of opinion) will blow Roses of Reckoning out of the water. Why? It's called choice, reason, and logic. All of which were sadly lacking in your scenario. I on the other hand have not played any of your other scenario's, therefore cannot say whether or not you actually have quality work, however to degrade newbies, is obviously extremely self-righteous of you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Lilith Posted September 28, 2004 Share Posted September 28, 2004 Play Emerald Mountain, or his more recent BoE scenarios (especially Bandits 2 or Nebulous Times Hence). And, uh, you should just ignore the philosophy in his scenarios. They work better that way. Anyway, he's not saying you can't make a good scenario. He's saying that if you say you're going to make a scenario, and you've never made a scenario before, you probably won't finish it. Which is certainly true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Kelandon Posted September 28, 2004 Share Posted September 28, 2004 Uh, Squirrel, get a clue . And seriously, if you're going to blast someone, at least work on your punctuation. More to the point, he's not degrading newbies. He's repeating a well-established fact. Most scenarios don't get finished. Talking about one before it is finished is almost always setting one's self up for embarrassment, unless one is a proven designer who consistently finishes these things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan Tristrana Posted September 28, 2004 Share Posted September 28, 2004 Oh, but give the dolt some slack! He's a dolt, after all. Also, TM is my GOD. NTH NTH NTH NTH NTH ^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Donald Hebb Posted September 28, 2004 Share Posted September 28, 2004 Quote: Originally written by Squirrel:Dear Corrigere, Experienced editors are nothing more then long time newbies. If you had not created Roses of Reckoning I might believe you when you suggest that you have any "worthwhile" experience in this category. I am a newbie, and I have a scenario close to being done that (while I am not bragging, and this is completely a matter of opinion) will blow Roses of Reckoning out of the water. Why? It's called choice, reason, and logic. All of which were sadly lacking in your scenario. I on the other hand have not played any of your other scenario's, therefore cannot say whether or not you actually have quality work, however to degrade newbies, is obviously extremely self-righteous of you. Think of the children. This has been a Moderator Moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Imban Posted September 28, 2004 Share Posted September 28, 2004 Squirrel, Roses of Reckoning sorta sucked. But, ya know, that's just one out of something like 20 scenarios he's designed. Out of those, I'd say at least 15 are better, most of them much better. Now, on the other hand, there's one of you, and you suck. I think TM has a better track record here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Ephesos Posted September 28, 2004 Author Share Posted September 28, 2004 Okay, thanks for your overwhelming confidence, then... Forget I ever posted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall demonslay3r Posted September 28, 2004 Share Posted September 28, 2004 Don't let the system get you down. If it's a good idea to you, then make it. Maybe you just aren't able to convert your amazing thoughts into text we can neither read nor understand the magnatude of its greatness. No one thinks I can make anything worth playing, but I am, and I dare say it is coming along very nicely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Donald Hebb Posted September 28, 2004 Share Posted September 28, 2004 I think it's more the alleged ~7 BoE scenarios you've made and haven't released plus the fact that you are well over a month late after a beta call that make us doubt you. This is Drakey-esque proportions here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Imban Posted September 29, 2004 Share Posted September 29, 2004 Huh? No it's not! It's not 2007 yet~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chittering Clawbug You get NOTHING Posted September 29, 2004 Share Posted September 29, 2004 LOL, amazing how much people can continue on from one post. While I realize I should have read the post from corrigere more closely, and then would have never thought he was insulting newbies, and I know the well known fact that most newbie scenarios are never released, Roses of Reckoning still sucked, and I cannot hold respect for someone who would disgrace BOA so. 20+ good scenarios does not make up for one that disgraces the name. If it had been just a bad scenario, then yes they would. No need to continue, you all have way too large a stick up your a** anyway. Edit: Oh, and Ephesos, I would suggest making a few scenarios with about 1-5 towns, even if you never release them, before you try something on a larger scale Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Donald Hebb Posted September 29, 2004 Share Posted September 29, 2004 Funny thing, that. I cannot hold respect for somebody who can throw away many years of far-from-easy work, most of it successful, in a medium where the defamer hasn't released the paltriest effort to date and is offended when her infantile, philistine world of killing goblins comes into question by something that doesn't necessarily have sidequests and legions of objectified vahnatai to mow down. And you people wonder why my primary motivation for making scenarios has been spite. In summation: SHUT THE HELL UP BEFORE YOU LOOK EVEN MORE LIKE THE SORRY IDIOT YOU ARE QED. Have a nice day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Kelandon Posted September 29, 2004 Share Posted September 29, 2004 Ephesos, the irritation was directed at Squirrel, not at you. If you can make a scenario, go for it. We welcome all the scenarios we can get. But the idea is 5% of the thing at most; the rest is execution. Your idea shows promise, but that means almost nothing in terms of the final product. EDIT: Squirrel, stop it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast *i Posted September 29, 2004 Share Posted September 29, 2004 Quote: Reckoning still sucked, and I cannot hold respect for someone who would disgrace BOA so. 20+ good scenarios does not make up for one that disgraces the name. If it had been just a bad scenario, then yes they would. No need to continue, you all have way too large a stick up your a** anyway. Squirrel -- You are are being extremely rude and offensive to the board members. Consider this your final warning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Drakefyre Posted September 29, 2004 Share Posted September 29, 2004 TM, you are also being rude and offensive. Consider this a warning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan Tristrana Posted September 29, 2004 Share Posted September 29, 2004 Drakey, Stareye, you're both being funkillers. Consider this your final warning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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