Kyshakk Koan Syntyrael Posted January 2, 2005 Share Posted January 2, 2005 Thats kind of dumb how every race in Avernum or exile is hated by humans except for themselves. How realistic. And more realistic because of the races. The Nephilim are hairy and ugly, like the French. And the Slithsizarski are cold and scaly, like the Canadians. Was Jeff thinking of how stupid France is when he designed these games? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan Xan Kreigor Posted January 2, 2005 Share Posted January 2, 2005 It's spelled, Slithzerakai, and why don't you ask Jeff himself, as opposed to those who play his games? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Lilith Posted January 2, 2005 Share Posted January 2, 2005 I remember you being more coherent before. Seek help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt Rent-an-Ihrno Posted January 2, 2005 Share Posted January 2, 2005 if you refer to the french as being hairy und ugly and so on, maybe you should look in the mirror next time before you attack jeff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Alorael at Large Posted January 2, 2005 Share Posted January 2, 2005 With some notable exceptions like Commander Johnson, most Avernites seem to take at least a neutral view towards other races. I guess being the banished dregs of a society teaches you acceptance? —Alorael, who thinks you're looking at it backwards. If humans on Earth can't get along with each other, why would they get along with non-humans on Ermarian? If there's anything dependable about people, it's bigotry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Fort Posted January 2, 2005 Share Posted January 2, 2005 You would rather have the each race love and respect each other as equals in Avernum? That would be a tad too unrealistically fluffy, and where would the conflict be if everyone respected each other? I disagree with the statement that most people in Avernum have neutral views about the other races. In certain cities, racism is a pervading theme with everyone's personality. By the way, when I first looked at this topic's title, I seriously thought that this would be about how almost all characters are white and there are few dialogue pictures (from Exile) with black faces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan Syntyrael Posted January 2, 2005 Author Share Posted January 2, 2005 Yeah seriously, more black faces. but i don't know what I meant by this, I just hoped that little kids who played Exile didn't get any subliminal messages about being mean to other races or some crazy idea like that. Let's just lock this topic and forget about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan Angry Ogre Posted January 2, 2005 Share Posted January 2, 2005 There seemed to be a liberal sprinkling of Hispanics, but the Asians seem to be the least reprsentead. And of course, I like the racism in the Trilogies. It adds to the realism, however sad this may be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Alorael at Large Posted January 3, 2005 Share Posted January 3, 2005 The Empire's complete fear of heterogeneous and complete willingness to practice genocide ensures a uniform skin color, more or less. Besides, it becomes more difficult to identify Avernites by skin color if there are already a variety of skin colors, including those that don't became translucently pale in the absence of sunlight. —Alorael, who only assumes that some skin colors don't turn translucent when away from light. As far as he knows, it hasn't exactly been heavily tested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Wise Man Posted January 3, 2005 Share Posted January 3, 2005 Quote: Originally written by Syntyrael:cold and scaly, like the Canadians. Die. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Fort Posted January 3, 2005 Share Posted January 3, 2005 It is late, but that comment about the topic being for the education of kids gave me a laugh, considering: Quote: The Nephilim are hairy and ugly, like the French. And the Slithsizarski are cold and scaly, like the Canadians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan Syntyrael Posted January 3, 2005 Author Share Posted January 3, 2005 Quote: and where would the conflict be if everyone respected each other? I thought the conflict was with the empire. if the races of avernum would fight together against the empire rather then fight seperately against themselves, then it would be a lot better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan Xan Kreigor Posted January 3, 2005 Share Posted January 3, 2005 There are more reasons than what they look like that is separating the races in Avernum. The Slithzerakai don't like humans because they have invaded "their lands". Nephilim don't like humans because humans were the ones who sent them to their icy cold doom in Exile in the first place. The Vahnatai don't like humans/The Empire because they stole their Crystal Souls. The Empire doesn't like Exiles because they killed Hawthorne. Its not just the fleshy outside that is keeping them separated but what each society has done to eachother in the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan Syntyrael Posted January 3, 2005 Author Share Posted January 3, 2005 good call Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Rupert Posted January 4, 2005 Share Posted January 4, 2005 The Sliths and Nephilim are both feared and hated by the Empire as a whole. Maybe not individuals, but the leadership of the Empire is very biased against them. Perhaps they are viewed as "strange" or "outlandish". In real life, Americans might be the same towards people from China. They would be more inclined to believe someone from their own country, holding a gun to their head, rather than someone from across the world, holding a loaf of bread. They try to see similarities in someone who they think they might be able to relate to and connect with, rather than try to understand a new type of person and open their mind. That aside, the Empire sent people down to Avernum/Exile because they were either dissenters or they weren't very nice people. Would you trust people like that if you had no conception that it was all the Empire propaganda machine? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unflappable Drayk Toenail Returns Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 Ask yourself this question: How would YOU treat a strange, scaly, green lizard man that is your new nextdoor neighbor? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan Controversial Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 I'd uh...go hi sir how are ya want some bugs I caught alot of flies today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan Darkdread Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 I am from South America, here we don't have the same views as in other coutries. So, when I first read your analogies between the races in the game and the people of France and Canada, I couldn't help but think that YOU are the real racist by making such interpretations. What is the connection between sliths and Canadians anyway? why them? C'mon! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curious Artila waffleguy Posted January 6, 2005 Share Posted January 6, 2005 call me a racist but i think that sliths r the coolest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan Syntyrael Posted January 6, 2005 Author Share Posted January 6, 2005 Wow this thread is still alive? I thought it'd be dead after I made that rude canadian remark. I'm sorry if I offended any canadians with that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Kelandon Posted January 7, 2005 Share Posted January 7, 2005 As much as this threads offends my sense of taste, I can't find any specific reason to lock it, so it lives. And XK, it's actually not spelled "Slithzerakai," but slithzerikai. There are those of us who are trying to break free of the racial stereotypes in the Avernum world via BoA scenarios (my Bahssikava), but it is a losing battle, I fear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chittering Clawbug Captain Obvious Posted January 7, 2005 Share Posted January 7, 2005 Quote: Originally written by Waffle Guy:call me a racist but i think that sliths r the coolest Racist... (The Vahnatai are better.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Wise Man Posted January 7, 2005 Share Posted January 7, 2005 Quote: Originally written by Syntyrael:Wow this thread is still alive? I thought it'd be dead after I made that rude canadian remark. I'm sorry if I offended any canadians with that... Yes you did. Now you must die. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan Syntyrael Posted January 7, 2005 Author Share Posted January 7, 2005 Quote: And XK, it's actually not spelled "Slithzerakai," but slithzerikai. Geez, what what SW be without those compulsive speling correctors? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Kelandon Posted January 7, 2005 Share Posted January 7, 2005 If you correct someone, you should at least be right. XK did, but he wasn't. That was the only reason that I brought it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan Xan Kreigor Posted January 7, 2005 Share Posted January 7, 2005 Whoops, my mistake, thanks Kelandon. I only corrected Syntyrael because he REALLY messed up the spelling, check out his first post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan Syntyrael Posted January 8, 2005 Author Share Posted January 8, 2005 It dosn't matter how it's spelled. Spelling has nothing to do with the point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Kelandon Posted January 8, 2005 Share Posted January 8, 2005 Yes, but mis-spelling it makes you look foolish. We had a discussion of this in a recent topic somewhere... oh, I don't care enough to find it. Suffice it to say that you should at least try to come close to the proper spelling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk mistica Posted January 12, 2005 Share Posted January 12, 2005 well, I guess the slith nephil stuff is worth a thought..... thinking... Thinking... thinking still... okay, here's what I think. You can really not play all the quests until at least 1 of your players are from other races except human, like the "find iron for Hunter nephils" & stuff. so Jeff must have kept THAT in mind while fashioning the game. However, the game is not really racist, its the people who are in the game that are prejudiced against the heroes. Generally, the prejudices are against Avernites (And sometimes against the respective genus), still, its all part of a greater process. I mean, do you people mind recalling the A1 & A2... They were a struggle for freedom, & this is no exception. We must see that the whole thing on racism does not exist when the struggle has a common goal. So fellow players, keep this in mind when you further comment on so-called "racism", I mean, why does people have to think in such a manner From where I hail, there are more than 55 different races living together. Sure, we have our differences, Yet, we never put racism before ourselves. This topic, I can conclude, can only come from a highly snobbish & narrow mind who cannot see anything but petty cases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seasoned Roamer aliklik Posted January 12, 2005 Share Posted January 12, 2005 cases? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Alorael at Large Posted January 12, 2005 Share Posted January 12, 2005 Do any of those 55 races have scales, or fur, or protruding tusks, or hairless, gray, ovaloid heads? No, I didn't think so. —Alorael, who is actually surprised that more surface people don't completely lose it when accosted by a humanoid lizard. It would make Avernum 3 hard to play with a slith PC, but the Empire seems to be more open-minded than accused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Fort Posted January 14, 2005 Share Posted January 14, 2005 I don't see how a race can afford to be racist against giant humanoids. The giants should be the ones ruling the world, in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Alorael at Large Posted January 14, 2005 Share Posted January 14, 2005 They are somewhere between rocks and trees in intelligence. The only thing they have going for them is size. —Alorael, who would like to compare the intellects of goblins, ogres, and giants. Which are the smartest? Which are the stupidest? Which one will eat the other two? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody Sticky Posted January 14, 2005 Share Posted January 14, 2005 Goblins at least can have a low cunning I suppose, but ogres and giants have shamans. All of them deserve to wiped off the face of the planet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan Syntyrael Posted January 14, 2005 Author Share Posted January 14, 2005 The humans should take a leaf out of the vahnatai book and create a genetically mutated monster to destroy all thoase stupid anooying goblins who aren't even worthy of killing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgeoning Battle Gamma The Yeoman Cheesemonger Posted January 15, 2005 Share Posted January 15, 2005 Quote: Originally written by Without Issue or Error: —Alorael, who is actually surprised that more surface people don't completely lose it when accosted by a humanoid lizard. It would make Avernum 3 hard to play with a slith PC, but the Empire seems to be more open-minded than accused. In Avernum III in Kriszan Province, Some of the wandering Guards say "Woa, a giant lizard creature, kill it!" and then you battle. this happens along the roads to the west adn the east of Kriszan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan Angry Ogre Posted January 15, 2005 Share Posted January 15, 2005 Yeah, but a few soldiers is nothing compared to the beating you should be getting. Why would the xenophobic empire allow a giant lizard to go anywhere near the great cities. Frankly, if it was realistic, youd get attacked at or locked out of every city, village and hut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Fort Posted January 18, 2005 Share Posted January 18, 2005 It might be an accepted part of the story that the slith PCs are given very baggy robes with thick hoods. The green skin could be attributed to magic gone wrong -- Avernum 3 parties are usually brimming with mysticism anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Cairo Jim Posted January 18, 2005 Share Posted January 18, 2005 Swear to god that I had a post here sayin that the French are pretty much good for nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Alorael at Large Posted January 18, 2005 Share Posted January 18, 2005 The Empire doesn't have a history of dealing well with mysticism or, I would guess, mutants. And if you were living in Valorim among evil necromancers, liches, vampires, demons, and whatnot, would you be happy to see completely concealed humanoids wandering through town with a bunch of "Worms" who just may have a terrible grudge against the entire surface? —Alorael, who was disappointed to see the Empire transformed from the wholly controlling and authoritarian force with complete control of all magic cited in A1 and, to some extent, in A2 to the relatively impersonally oppressive power it is in A3. Sure, Valorim is the rough frontier, but it's still not the Empire everyone ranted about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk mistica Posted January 22, 2005 Share Posted January 22, 2005 you may have a point there. Personally, I love a couple of nephils & a large hairy slith (whom I call 'saru' meaning rotten) to mere humans. Quote : "Do any of those 55 races have scales, or fur, or protruding tusks, or hairless, gray, ovaloid heads?" Ans: well, some of the finer species posesses them quite often, though they may be acquired (from a fur shop or dentist's)... as far as ovaloid heads go, well......that may be inherent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrulous Glaahk Solodric Posted January 24, 2005 Share Posted January 24, 2005 Hey, we french aren't useless. Granted, I'm a U.S. citizen who simply inherited french blood, but hey, lay off the Frenchy/Canadian jokes, they get old REALLY fast. As far as racism in Avernum goes, people will always have something to hate. If it isnt racism it's sexism. If it isn't that they start up with the religions. If it isnt that they divide the religion into 50 sects and fight over that. And failing that they kill each other because they aren't in the same family. Trust me, I've studied enough history and psychology to know......bias is ALWAYS prevalant ESPECIALLY in a medieval setting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan Syntyrael Posted January 25, 2005 Author Share Posted January 25, 2005 sorry if this is late but that reminds me of a good canadian joke. Why do Canadians like to do it doggy style?? So they can both watch the hockey game. hahahaha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Kelandon Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 I think I finally have adequate cause to lock this topic. DIE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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