Curious Artila sco50000 Posted July 2, 2005 Share Posted July 2, 2005 I want people to join me in making a huge mod for the game Morrowind. Go to me website at The Avernum Project or email me at sco50000@hotmail.com . Please join. And if you have played Morrowind before, all the better!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt JadeWolf Posted July 2, 2005 Share Posted July 2, 2005 Is Morrowind compatible with Mac? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unflappable Drayk John S Posted July 2, 2005 Share Posted July 2, 2005 I've never played Morrowind, so these questions are not obvious to me, as they doubtlessly are to you. 1) By "mod", do you mean change the code for Avernum, or change the code for Morrowind? 2) Are you sure this shouldn't be in the BoA section? Some of the people there are pretty good at programming. And if worst comes to worst, someone can make a scenario for you based on Morrowind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Student of Trinity Posted July 2, 2005 Share Posted July 2, 2005 He's proposing to port Avernum to Morrowind. It sounds like a cool project, except that it also sounds like blatant copyright violation, effectively taking bread out of the mouths of Jeff Vogel's children, and all that. An original Morrowind scenario inspired by Avernum, though, could be a different story -- unless it used so much directly copied graphics that it amounted to a copyright violation on BoA. In that case, I don't exactly where the moral and legal line(s) should be drawn, but I'm sure they're not so far away you can totally ignore them. I do know that I'd be reluctant to put in the stupendous amount of work involved in this kind of project, if there was a good chance I would simply be participating in a crime, because I wouldn't want to end up feeling guilty about anything I'd worked that hard on, and I would want to be able to distribute the result freely to reap gratitude and acclaim for my efforts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Alorael at Large Posted July 2, 2005 Share Posted July 2, 2005 No Morrowind for the Mac, unfortunately. —Alorael, who will say right away that that loses about half of the Avernum crowd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Drakefyre Posted July 2, 2005 Share Posted July 2, 2005 Porting Avernum to Morrowind is a copyright violation and illegal. Using the Avernum universe as a setting is more ambiguous, but I still stay away from it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody Walter Posted July 3, 2005 Share Posted July 3, 2005 I think that if you want to do that (reuse the same storyline in a scenario for another game), you would need to get Jeff's explicit permission for it to be legal. So try e-mailing him to make sure it's ok with him before you devote any time to this project. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curious Artila sco50000 Posted July 3, 2005 Author Share Posted July 3, 2005 I did send him an email but he hasent replied yet. And I haven't even started the mod anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curious Artila sco50000 Posted July 3, 2005 Author Share Posted July 3, 2005 Okay... I just wan't to get some things straight. First of all, i'm not editing code of any kind but I'm using Morrwind's TES Construction Set to make a mod. I'm not changing Avernum in any way, shape, or form and the last thing I want to do is break copyright laws! Okay, i'm done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt Kingy Posted July 3, 2005 Share Posted July 3, 2005 That would actually be brilliant. I think that both Avernum and Morrowind are great games and it would be interesting to see a first person, brilliant graphics (rather than something that's pretty much a text adventure [Not that I have anything against the graphics, infact I like them]) version of Avernum. I think it would be incredibly hard to pull off though. I would help but unfortunitly I have no skills in that sort of area. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unflappable Drayk John S Posted July 4, 2005 Share Posted July 4, 2005 Okay, so Morrowind has a "TES Construction Set". Sounds like the BoA Editor. Well, I bet the people in the BoA Editor forum would be more inclined to help, seeing as they're already doing that sort of thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Alorael at Large Posted July 4, 2005 Share Posted July 4, 2005 Even if you're not editing Avernum, you're violating Jeff's copyright on the world of Avernum. (I presume he has one!) That said, as long as it's not a commercial mod, Jeff is unlikely to care enough to do anything about it. —Alorael, who still doesn't encourage intellectual property theft. And you should know that Jeff hates fan fiction, so fan mods probably aren't encouraged. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Lilith Posted July 4, 2005 Share Posted July 4, 2005 You can't really copyright something as broad and vague as the idea of the world. As long as you changed around the names of all the places and characters, and maybe messed around with the plot a little, it's unlikely that Jeff could successfully sue you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Alorael at Large Posted July 4, 2005 Share Posted July 4, 2005 You could sure be sued for "Avernum" and probably "slthzerikai" and "vahnatai." Nephilim are biblical, so you get a pass on that one. Jeff wouldn't bother to sue you, but he could. —Alorael, who certainly doesn't mean to imply that underground worlds are copyrighted. If anyone gets that, it's probably Jules Verne. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody Walter Posted July 4, 2005 Share Posted July 4, 2005 Basically if it is close enough to be considered an avernum mod for it, it could legally be considered to be a copyright infringement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt Kingy Posted July 5, 2005 Share Posted July 5, 2005 It would be very hard to actually make a decent mod of Avernum using the TES Construction thing. I looked at it just before. I'm not saying it can't be done, just saying it would take ages and by the time it's done Oblivion would be out and the mod would see less people using it anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curious Artila sco50000 Posted July 10, 2005 Author Share Posted July 10, 2005 Jeff Vogel has given me a no. His reason was something like that if he gave me permissions it would inhibit his future game selling abbilities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Aran Posted July 11, 2005 Share Posted July 11, 2005 Quote: Originally written by Interior Analog:You could sure be sued for "Avernum" and probably "slthzerikai" and "vahnatai." Nephilim are biblical, so you get a pass on that one. Jeff wouldn't bother to sue you, but he could. —Alorael, who certainly doesn't mean to imply that underground worlds are copyrighted. If anyone gets that, it's probably Jules Verne. Avernum is an antique name for the Underworld, iirc. It is as much under copyright as the names Anaximander, Erika and Hawthorne are. I've seen "Slithzerikai" used in other settings, but it is probably original to Spiderweb Software, as well as Vahnatai. That said, "Ermarian" is fan-invented and therefore - thankfully - not subject to copyright. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Alorael at Large Posted July 11, 2005 Share Posted July 11, 2005 In a context reminiscent of Avernum, using Avernum becomes copyright infringement, I believe. That might only be true for trademarks, though. I'm not an intellectual property rights expert. —Alorael, who enjoy a lawsuit by Lake Avernum against Spiderweb for libel. Not everyone in the area is a banished societal misfit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt Kingy Posted July 12, 2005 Share Posted July 12, 2005 Whoopie. I join up and instantly it's been stopped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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