QW2 - Reputation

[Davies]

Note that you can also get an improved Ro reputation by dedicating forts to Diplomacy (+3R for each dedication) and by "crafting" improvements at the Tower of the Erudico (+2R for Charity to Ro, +4R for Gift to Ro, +6R for Offering to Ro, and +8R for Respect to Ro.) 

 

General Advice: At the start of the game, you are advised to just be honest. THIS IS BAD ADVICE. Learn to tell people what they want to hear, and learn to know what that is -- this is the essence of diplomacy.

 

Mirror Dialogues:
Sutter:
"Agreed. I will finish up here and move on." +1Q
"That is your way. It isn't mine." -1Q

 

"Fine. I will not go." +1Q
"This is the best way. I will go. (Leave.)" -1Q

 

"Are you sure you should be King?" -2Q
"You're proving that you're worthy of the crown." +1Q

 

"Yes. Someone called 'Wolf' talked to me through the mirror." +2Q
"No. Nobody unexpected has talked to me. (Lie.)" -1Q
"Really. Nobody talked to me. (Lie.)" -1Q
"I will talk to whoever I choose, Sutter." -1Q

 

Delia:
"I think I need to do more than just clean up the groves." -1Q
"Cleanse the groves. Get out. Got it." +1Q

 

"I will do what I can." +1Q
"You put me in charge here. I will decide how to proceed." -1Q

 

"No. This is my job now. I will go to Prova Krug." -1Q
"I will be home soon." +1Q

 

"You are right. I will be gentle from now on." +1Q
"I am here and you are not. I will act as I see fit." -1Q

 

"Your doubts are noted. Please send the books anyway." -5Q, +2R
"I see your point. Don't send the books." +3Q, -5R

 

Sharyn:
"I am being just, and I will continue to do so." -1Q
"I will be harsher in my judgments." +1Q

 

Wolf:
"I am eager to meet your challenge." +1R
"I don't want to be in the Rokaj in the first place." -1R

 

"I refuse to talk to you. (Turn and leave.)" -1R
"My brother has been asking about you." +1R
"My being half-Ro is an accident of birth. Nothing more." -1R
"This is a savage land. Your errors need to be corrected." -1R
"I do feel connected to this land." +1R
"Haven has not treated you justly." +1R
"Yeah. I'm willing to take that risk." -1R
"I am also half-Havenite, and you are my vassal." -1R
"I will see that the Rokaj is treated justly." +1R
"You are really over-estimating how much I care about your country." -1R

 

"I am more of Rokaj." +1R
"I am more of Haven." -1R

"I am more tired of talking to you." -1R

Miranda:
"I officially approve of Governor Yvette." +10Q, -15R
"Counsel Abelin has offered to take Governor Yvette's place. I accept the offer." -10Q, +5R

 

"I officially approve of Governor Aato." +10Q, -15R
"I am a [P] of Haven, and my word is law. Raasa Lawita is Governor." -10Q, +5R

Sharyn:
"I want to learn more about the Rokaj." +1Q
"I will go to the Rokaj and do my duty." +1Q
"I should not be doing this job. I refuse." -1Q

 

"(Kneel.) I have returned with a report, your highness." +2Q
"(Kneel.) I've come back. We need to talk." +1Q
"(Don't kneel.) Hello, Mother. I'm here to tell you about the latest mess." -2Q
"You are looking well." +1Q
"Are you sure you are healthy enough to hold court?" -3Q
"Honestly, I don't think we should be in the Rokaj at all." -3Q
"This is a provocation, but the Rokaj is in chaos. This is not the time to add to it." +1Q
"This is an unacceptable provocation. They can't be allowed to turn away the leaders of Haven." +2Q
"I honestly have no idea." -2Q
"Mother, are you well?" -2Q
"I think the Ro don't want us there. We should leave." -2Q

 

"You should be resting." -1Q
"We need to talk about a bottle of medicine." -3Q
"I ordered that the Ro be utterly crushed." +6Q
"I ordered that the Ro be reclaimed, but slowly and cautiously." +1Q
"I gave no orders to attack." -12Q
Approved Yvette +3Q
Approved Abelin -4Q
Approved Aato +3Q
Approved Lawita -4Q
"I fought the challenge at Prova Krug." +3Q
"Haven has neglected the Rokaj. We should not have treated our vassal that way." +2Q
"We are not perfect, but we have brought the Ro safety and prosperity." +2Q
"We should not be in the Rokaj at all." -6Q

 

Sutter:
"The Queen's death will be very good for you." -1Q
"We will make sure she has a long, productive reign." +1Q
"If all she is going to do is make lists and work us to death, maybe we're better off without her." -1Q
"I will do my duty to Haven. I am returning to the Rokaj now." +1Q

 

"Haven is strong and just." +1Q
"Haven should not rule the world." -3Q

Delia:
"I am eager to begin." +1Q
"It is necessary, so I will do it." +1Q
"I am a [P] of Haven, and I refuse to do this." -1Q

Cestus:
"I have recovered the Seventh Army's banner. (Give it to Cestus.)" +4Q

 

"Decide for yourself, Cestus." -2R
"Dastan should be executed." +1Q, -2R, +3V
"Just flog Dastan. Then send him home." -1R, -1V
"There is not enough evidence. Free him." -2Q, +2R, -3V

 

"I happily accept your gifts." +1R
"I happily accept your gifts, but you are not forgiven until the attackers are punished." +1Q
"This man is trying to bribe me. Have him flogged." -2R, +3V

"Trying to bribe a [P] of Haven, eh? Take this man away and have him flogged." -2Q, +2R, +3V
"Trying to bribe a [P] of Haven, eh? I want nothing you have to give. Get out of my sight." -1Q, +1R
"Your bribe is accepted." -2R

 

"Cestus, this disgusts me. Deal with it yourself." -2Q, -2R
"Druid Jansulu, you have violated Haven's laws against human sacrifice. I sentence you to death." +2Q, -2R, +3V
"Druid Jansulu, you have violated Haven's laws against human sacrifice. I sentence you to flogging." -2Q, -2R, +1V
"Druid Jansulu, you are spared. Leave." -2Q, +2R, -3V
"Cestus, give an order. Our soldiers should prevent all sacrifices in the Kranas Woods." +2Q, -1R
"Cestus, give an order. Our soldiers should leave the Kranas Woods alone. We have enough problems." -2Q, +1R

 

"Sage Aledra is guilty of desertion. Execute her." +3V
"Sage Aledra is guilty of desertion. Flog her. Then send her back to Aato." +3V
"Send Sage Aledra back to Aato for punishment." +3V
"Sage Aledra is now stationed in [F0]. Chief Cestus, find some work for her." -3V

 

"I really am too busy for this right now." -1Q, +1R
"The honor of Haven is at stake. I will try to recover our banner." +1Q

 

"Dock Talant a month's pay." +2Q, -2R, -1V
"Flog Talant." -1R, +1V
"Execute Talant." -3Q, +3R, +5V
"Let Talant go and stop wasting my time." +1Q, -2R, -3V
"Please make sure Talant serves in the High Litha for a good, long time." +1V
"Please make sure Talant is transferred out of the High Litha." -1V

 

"Assassins are not tolerated in my lands. Execution." -2Q, -2R, +3V
"Assassins are not tolerated in my lands. So, flogging." -2R, +1V
"I will respect the local traditions. Let the assassin go." +2Q, +2R, -2V
"If taking a bribe is the way this situation is usually resolved, who am I to say no?" +2Q, +1R, -2V

 

"Send Altynay back to the Low Dhaga." +2Q, +2R
"Put Altynay on the next ship to Haven." -2Q, -6R

 

Almar:
"If you don't go, I will force you." -3R

Alsof:
"Send a message to Haven, telling them I granted your request." -3Q, +2R
"If this decision was made, I will not change it." +2Q, -3R

Amberl (Ruska):
"He challenged the might of Haven. He paid the price." -1R

"Killing him fills me with sorrow, but it was necessary." +2R

"You druids have hampered me enough. Get out of my way." -2R

Amberl (Isskale):
"The grove was left intact and healthy." +2R
"The grove was too damaged. I had to cut out its heart." -3R

Angach:
"Apology accepted." +1Q, -1V
"Your apology is not accepted. You need to fix the problem." +1Q
"You are stripped of your rank immediately!" -1Q
"For this failure, you are to be taken out and flogged." -1Q, +1V

Aurichalcum:
"I am [P] [N] of Haven. Greetings to you." +2R
"Hello. Haven sent me to clean up your messes." -2R
"Raasa Lawita sent me. I am hunting the raiders that plague your land." +1R
"I didn't come here to be judged by you, Ro." +2R
"I hope you find that I live up to my father's example." -2R

Aurus:
"How about this? Get back to work, or I will kill you all." +2Q, +2V
"I will meet your demands. Better food and more breaks." -1Q, -1V

Azucena:
"If you are trying to jump the chain of command, don't." +2Q
"I won't hear criticism of the governor. Be silent." -2Q
"You may speak freely." +2Q

"The passage through the Larokon Ruins is open." +3Q

Bhruck:
"I'd probably better just kill you. (Attack.)" +2Q, -2R, +3V
"Fine. Just go. And don't come back." -2Q, +2R, -3V

Bryan:
"Honestly, I've sort of lost interest." +1R, +2V
"I would like you to spare him." -4R, -3V

Coglins:
"The Ice Wyrm was real. I killed it." +1R

Corthin:
"I'm going to need you to focus." +1Q
"There, there. It's OK." (Comfort him.)" -2Q, -2V
"Your behavior is shameful. Calm yourself or I will have you punished." +2Q, +2V

"None of our warriors were killed." +2Q, +2R

Darmal:
"I should meet them. I am part of the Ro." +2R
"I am not really interested. I am a Havenite now." -2R

Daula:
"Mistglen has been purged." +1R

Elha:
"I am [P] [N] of Haven. I greet you in the name of the Empire of Haven." +1Q, +1R
"Yeah. Fine. Let's get this over with." -1Q, -1R
"I am a [P] of Haven! I don't request permission. I will travel wherever I want." -2R
"I request permission, as [P] of Haven, to travel throughout the Rokaj." +1R

Filome:
"You may have a post." (Sign the paper. Take the bribe.) -3Q, -5R, -2V
"You may have a post, but I don't need your bribe." (Sign the paper.) -1Q, -5R, -2V
"I will not anger the Ro. Your request is denied." +3Q, +1R, +1V
"Bribing me is illegal. Leave before I have you punished." +3Q, +1R, +3V

Grenich

"I have completed the first challenge." +1R

"I have completed your second challenge." +1R

"I have killed your third pest." +1R

Hermina:
"I refuse your bribe, and I will have you punished for this." +2Q

Honored Ryx:
"I am overjoyed to meet more family." +1R
"I am a [P] of Haven. You are no kin of mine." -1R
"Anything for family! (Give 100 coins.)" +2R, -2V
"I think you are a fraud. Don't beg from me again." -2R, +2V

Isabella:
"I'm not in the mood to debate one of my subjects right now." +2Q, +2R, +2V
"I will do what I can to change the Low Dhaga." -2Q, -4R, -2V
"I choose not to change the Low Dhaga." +2Q, +2R, +2V
"I swear, if I can, I will change things here." -3Q, -5R, -3V 
"You will leave now, before I'm forced to kill you." -3V

Iuliana:
"I want Raasa Suharum summoned. Now. Or else." -2R, +2V
"Fine. I will go hunt your Raasa down." +1R

Ivanna:
"I need everything you can give me." -2Q
"Anything you care to give me to maintain your current position?" -2Q

Kieran Stoff:
"The Gentle Coast is weak and soft." +2R
"The Gentle Coast is the only civilized part of the Rokaj." -2R

Lawita (Azam):
"I am [P] [N] of Haven. I have come on a diplomatic mission." +1R
"I have a lot of jobs to do. Let's get this over with, vassal." -2R

Lawita (Prova Krug):
"I have come to right our wrongs." +2R
"I have come to end this farce." -2R
"I have come to kill traitors." -2R
"Your views about women are harmful, and we will help improve them." -10R

Lheure:
"I found your two caravans. (Describe where they were.)" +2R

Lora:
"You made a fatal error threatening me. (Attack.)" +2V
"You need to leave. Now." -2V
"I am leaving." -2V

Madina:
"I think that you are lying." -1R
"I think that law is unjust." +2R
"You rebelled once, and you will again. The law stays." -2R
"I hunted down those brigands." +1R

Markko Esterer:
"I killed the assassins you sent after her." -2V
"I gave her your message." +2V

Markov:
"There are problems. I am here to solve them." +1Q
"I won't be here long enough to care." -2Q

Matyas:
"Offer me another bribe and I will have you executed." +3Q, +3V

Maxwell:
"Well met, Captain. You have done well." -1V
"You let yourself get trapped, but I am here to rescue you." +1V

"No, just stay here for now." -2Q, +2V
"Your forces are dismissed, Captain." +2Q, -1V

Miryama:
"Watchfire Grove has been calmed." +1R
"Watchfire Grove had to be destroyed." -4R
"Deepgrove has been calmed." +1R
"Deepgrove had to be destroyed." -4R
"I have dealt with both of the nearby groves."* +2 (but must have calmed both.)

Murph:
"Your problems are noted. Now we will get to work fixing them." +1Q
"Everything seems fine. I will be gone soon."-2Q
"I don't like complaining. I make sure that whiners are punished." +2V

Nizilchek:
"I rescued Ezequiel. (Tell the tale.)" +2R

Oglenna:
"I agree with her. This is a struggle between great powers now." +2R
"I agree with you. Look after your people. Be ready to act." +2R

Phara:
"You may go." -3Q, +2R, -3V
"You will pay the price for attacking Haven's supporters. (Attack.)" +3Q, -2R, +3V

Prosperexa (Tehrorman):
"I helped you. In return, can you speak for Haven?" +1R, -1V
"I think Haven has neglected the Rokaj." +2R, -2V
"You are Haven's vassal. Don't forget it." -3R, +2V
Rabila (Prova Krug):
(Violence is 6 or more): -4R

(Violence is -5 to +5): +3R
(Violence is -6 or less): -4R

"You are all traitors. A swift punishment awaits you." -2R
"Haven has done wrong to the Rokaj. I will try to atone for it." +2R

Ravil:
"I was only acting under orders. I will do all I can to spare the Ro in the future." -3Q, +2R, -3V
"I had orders, and I agreed with them. As long as the Ro cooperates, there will be no more such actions." +2Q, -2R, +1V
"I deeply regret what I had to do. I do not plan to attack the Ro again." -3Q, +2R, -2V
"The Ro is Haven's vassal. We will do whatever it takes to make you remember that." +3Q, -4R, +3V
Regi Garnak:
"Thank you for the story." +2R

"If you're done talking, I really have more important things to do." -1R

"A sad story, but it is important for towns to drive out sinister witches. It's just good policy." -3R 

(afterwards)
"She wanted peace brought to the Rokaj." +2R

Rietta:
"I will prevent a war if I can. Peace is my main goal." -2V
"The Ro attacked me. I must return order with fire and steel." +2V
"Thank you. If you speak of this to anyone, you will be punished." +1V

Rigel:
"Thank you. Haven is grateful for your cooperation." -2Q, +2R, -2V
"That is wise. If your little cult angers Haven, we will obliterate you." +3Q, -2R, +2V
"Your message has been heard." +2Q
"Haven has no problem with your activities." +2R
"The Rokaj is in chaos. You will have to be brought under control." -2R

Satu:
"Get away from me, vermin, or you will regret it." -2R, +1V

Sayra:
"Destroying your wall was a mistake." +2R
"You made destroying your wall necessary." -2R
"The Rokaj signed a treaty, You are part of our Empire." -3R
"It is time for the Rokaj to be free." +2R
"I destroyed your wall. I don't need to stop there. Where is Raasa Suharum?" -3R

Sparl:
"I will pay his freedom fee. (Pay 50 coins.)" -2R, -3V
"I will not help him. Let him take his punishment." +2R, +2V

Suharum (Icegate):
"You are our vassal. You have no right to make this challenge." -2R
"So the Rokaj continues to waste my time." -2R

Suharum (Prova Krug):
"Haven has wronged the Rokaj, and I want to make it right." +2R
"I will show this pitiful rabble that they can never frighten the Empire of Haven." -2R

"Trial by combat is a savage way to rule a nation." -5R

Sutter (the other one):
"I am a [P]. I refuse to answer to ghosts." +2Q, -2R
"Well, I'd better go downstairs and see what the trouble is." +2R

Uazi:
"I made the three offerings." +2R

Vionelle (Wyrmteeth):
"Fine. Just go." -4R, -3V
"I have no fear of you, assassin." +1R, +2V

Voice of the Ro:
"I am a [P] of Haven, and the Rokaj signed a Treaty of Vassalage with us. Your opinion doesn't matter." +2Q, +2V
"You ask too much, arrogant spirit." +2Q, +2V
"I do not want the Ro to be vassals, and I will free you if I can." -5Q, +3R, -3V
"I will accept your challenge." +2Q, +2V
"I will not declare. I will not accept your challenge. Haven does not grovel before a pile of rotting meat." +2Q, -2R, +3V

Xurxo:
"Everything should continue as before. They will send all of their stone." +2V
"The Oasis can send us less stone and keep some for their own purposes." -5R, -3V
"The Oasis is angering the Ro. Clear the women out and put in other workers." +3R, +3V

Zmaray:
"You are being insolent, Ro." -2R
"If I can, I will consider loosening Haven's control." +2R

Spiral Mine:
"Yes, you have been neglected. I have come to make amends." -2V
"You serve Haven. Any who oppose us will be destroyed, the way I have destroyed you." +2V
"Aaahhh! You're still talking! (Keep attacking.)" +1V

Tranquility Path:
"(Pull out the sword.)" +1R, -2V

Aram Peaks:

(Dhagan)
"I don't want to fight you." -2V
"You take part in rebellion against us. You must die. (Attack.)" +3V

(Kranas)
"You take part in rebellion against us. You must die. (Attack.)" -3R, +3V

(Gentle Coast)
"(You take part in rebellion against us. You must die. (Attack.)" -3R, +3V

Gentle Coast:
"Fine. Judge me." +2R
"Ahhhh! A ghost! (Attack.)" -2R

High Litha:
"Fine. I'll leave. (Lie.)" -1R
"I will go where I will. (Push past them.)" +1R
"You will pay for you challenging me!" (Attack.)" +2V

"You dare to draw a weapon on a [P] of Haven? This insult cannot be tolerated. (Kill them.)" +2Q, +3R, +3V
"You are forcing me to defend myself. You can't defeat me. (Draw a weapon.)" +2Q, +3R, +1V
"(Get out of the mud.)" -2Q, -3R, -3V

 

"Oh, those? I destroyed them." +1R

 

"I have better things to do." -2R, -1V
"I just slew a few beasts in the rocks to the south." +2R, +1V

 

"Fine. I'll leave. (Lie.)" -2R
"I will go where I will. (Push past them.)" +1R
"You will pay for your insolence! (Attack.)" -2R, +3V

 

"Well, it sometimes flows off my sword." +1R (Yes, this gets a better reaction than the other does. Ils sont fou, ces Ro.)

Kranas:
(will not get this conversation if V is too high)
"You're lucky I don't have you executed on the spot." +2Q, -2R, +2V
"You need to go home now." +2Q, -2R
"Move on. I didn't see you." -2Q, +1R

"Never mind, then." +1R

 

"You will tell me if you know what's good for you." -2R

"I need all of your names." -2R, +1V

 

"The time of the forest is past. I will not help." -3R
"I will help you. (Join them.)" +2R
"I can't fight for you. I must go. (Leave.)" -1R

 

Low Dhaga:
"Demand that they give you some deep metal." -3R

 

"Turn back and go home." -2R, +1V
"Move on." +2R, -1V

 

"Open the coaches." -2R, +1V
"Turn back and go home." -2R, +1V

"Move on." +2R, -1V

 

"(Flee.)" -2R
"I will not anger the Rokaj. She must return to her clan." +2Q, +4R, +3V
"I am forced to anger the Rokaj. I must let her go free." -2Q, -4R, -3V

 

"I'm too busy. Just go home." -2R, -1V
"Sure. I could use some more glory." +2R, +1V

 

"(Just leave.)" -2R

"(Help them!)" +2R

 

"Haven should be more respecting of your ways." +1R
"I'm glad someone is protecting your women from you." -4R
"I think you'd better be moving on." -2R

 

Pilgrimage Road:
"Get out of my way or fight." +2R, +2V
"Fine. I don't want trouble." (Walk around in the mud.)" -2R, -2V
"I refuse to get permission. Vassals have no right to stop me." (Walk by.)" -2R, +1V
"I have received permission from Laskara." +1R

 

Pillars:

(3rd match & Ro Reputation is 40 or greater): "Fight them for the ball."  +2R
(4th match & Ro Reputation is 20 or greater): "Fight for the ball and touch all four pillars." +2R

"Bow back." +1R
"Your game is foolish and savage. (Leave.)" -1R
"Let's play again!" +1R
"I won at last." +1R

Edited September 30, 2023 by Davies

[dgomez]

Wow, thanks a lot. Now I see why the queen doesn't like me - I offended Sutter as much as possible. A pity he and the queen have the same opinion on everything.

[Shaper_Mario]

This is great work. Thanks for this guide, Davies.

[Mechalibur]

Dedicating Forts to the Ro seems to increase reputation by 3. I don't have a file where I can quickly test the first 3 bonuses, but the final Erudico bonus (Respect to Ro) gives a +8 bonus to Ro rep.

Edited September 1, 2022 by Mechalibur

[Davies]

46 minutes ago, Mechalibur said:

I don't have a file where I can quickly test the first 3 bonuses, but the final Erudico bonus (Respect to Ro) gives a +8 bonus to Ro rep.

I would hypothesize that the first three give +2, +4 and +6, then. So you can get a total of +32 rep this way.

Edited September 1, 2022 by Davies

[Randomizer]

From early in beta testing:

Each fort dedicated gives +3

The crafting bonus are  +4 and +6, I don't have the rest.

[mikeprichard]

Great info - much obliged!

[Davies]

Thank you. Tomorrow, I hope to discuss what all this means in practical terms.

[Mechalibur]

There's an event with a shade in Gentle Coast that seems to be missing. Letting it judge you get +2R, refusing is -2R.

[Mechalibur]

Oh, there's also Pillars, which is a pretty good way to get some Ro points. There are 4 opportunities to play the game, and for each of them, if you bow back or ask to play again, you get +1R.

 

If you have at least 140 Ro rep on the third game, you win it, getting you another +2R. You only need 120 Ro rep to win the fourth game, which also gives an extra +2R if you win. Saying "I won at last" also gets you +1R, so you can pick that instead of bowing if you do win.

 

"Your game is foolish and savage" naturally gets you -1R

[Mechalibur]

16 hours ago, Davies said:

I would hypothesize that the first three give +2, +4 and +6, then. So you can get a total of +32 rep this way.

 

I think you're correct. On a newer file I just got to the Tower to test this and the first bonus does indeed give +2, followed by +4 for the second.

[Shaper Twilight]

What is V? I know Q is Queen and R is Ro.

[Amira The Hot Potato]

54 minutes ago, Shaper Twilight said:

What is V? I know Q is Queen and R is Ro.

pretty sure its violence

[Davies]

6 hours ago, Amira The Hot Potato said:

pretty sure its violence

Yep.

[Mechalibur]

Found some more potential freebie points with Regi Gamak

 

"Thank you for the story." +2R

"If you're done talking, I really have more important things to do." -1R

"A sad story, but it is important for towns to drive out sinister witches. It's just good policy." -3R 

 

"She wanted peace brought to the Rokaj." +2R

[Davies]

Updated to include these notes.

[Davies]

Queen's Reputation

 

This score has the least impact on the game, but has a major impact on its finale, almost certainly reflected in the code you receive to carry over into Queen's Wish 3: The Final Conflict (or whatever it ends up being subtitled.) It determines what judgement you receive from Queen Sharyn, which is in turn reflected in the end text.

 

35 or greater: "I have been very pleased by your words and actions. Haven shall count itself very lucky to have you as its servant."

20 to 34: "I have been pleased by your words and actions. You still have things to learn, of course, but Haven is very lucky to have you as its servant."
10 to 19: "You have improved, but ... Your words and actions have shown you to need correction. You don't understand Haven's ways, and I have not approved of some of your actions. You will still be a favored servant, my child, but you still have things to learn."
9 or less: "I am sorry to have to say. Your words and actions have shown you to need much correction. You don't understand Haven's ways, and I have greatly disapproved of your words and actions. You will still be a favored servant, my child, but you have so much to learn. We will not forget it."

 

It is possible to get the highest result and replace both governors, but you will need to utterly toe the Haven line otherwise.

[Mechalibur]

Found another set:

 

Grenich

"I have completed the first challenge." +1R

"I have completed your second challenge." +1R

"I have killed your third pest." +1R

 

Killing him doesn't seem to further modify your rep.

[mikeprichard]

Also, this is probably obvious from context, but would you please add the "Qs" to the end of the following in the list?

"I ordered that the Ro be utterly crushed." +6
"I ordered that the Ro be reclaimed, but slowly and cautiously." +1
"I gave no orders to attack." -12
Approved Yvette +3
Approved Abelin -4
Approved Aato +3
Approved Lawita -4

I can already tell this guide is going to be essential to my min-max-ish playthrough. Great work, again.

[Mechalibur]

This might also be helpful for anyone trying to minmax. You can use the "gsdf" cheat code to check flag values in-game. So, you can check your reps with the following:

 

"gsdf 80 16" - Ro Reputation

"gsdf 80 7" - Queen Reputation

"gsdf 80 6" - Violence Reputation

 

From a quick test, this doesn't seem to disable achievements/medals, but I won't make any promises.

[Mechalibur]

Found some more from Amberl, this is from her dialogue in Ruska Pass

 

"He challenged the might of Haven. He paid the price." -1R

"Killing him fills me with sorrow, but it was necessary." +2R

"You druids have hampered me enough. Get out of my way." -2R

 

[Mechalibur]

On 8/31/2022 at 7:39 PM, Davies said:

Low Dhaga

 

"(Just leave.)" -2R

 

 

You also get +2R after beating this encounter if you decide to help them.

Edited September 5, 2022 by Mechalibur

[BrainGlucose]

On 9/3/2022 at 1:42 PM, Mechalibur said:

This might also be helpful for anyone trying to minmax. You can use the "gsdf" cheat code to check flag values in-game. So, you can check your reps with the following:

 

"gsdf 80 16" - Ro Reputation

"gsdf 80 7" - Queen Reputation

"gsdf 80 6" - Violence Reputation

 

From a quick test, this doesn't seem to disable achievements/medals, but I won't make any promises.

Thanks for this.  Playing through with my preferred actions - and damn the lack of a possible replacement for Aato! - I ended with 188/116/78, which seems to have worked out about as well as possible: minimal rebellion, no-one willing to stand against me with the Wolf, improved life for women in Low Draga, and the Queen's approval (although I still kinda suspect Delia's hand in that medicine..).  Choosing to go to Prova Krug didn't seem to annoy the home folks anywhere near as much as I expected!  Looking forward to the next.

[Shaper_Mario]

I have some questions about the endgame.

 

Spoiler

I know that there are specific conditions that determine whether the Kranas fight you at Prova Krug, while the Low Dhagans purely care about your Ro Alignment. Do the High Lithians ever challenge you if your Ro Reputation is low enough? And are there any characteristics beyond Reputation with the Ro that determine whether Raasa Suharum gives his approval to the rebellion?

 

I approved of Yvette and Aato, but I had a fairly strong Ro Reputation overall and I found the ending pretty satisfying. I think I would do things differently with the governors on another playthrough to see what changes the ending.

[Randomizer]

Raasa Suharum decides on whether you go to Prova Krug and fights. I don't know of reputation ,makes as much a difference.

[Mechalibur]

I put this in another topic, but it's probably worth having in here as well. Here's the reputation you need to avoid the fights in Prova Krug:

 

Kranas

You must cleanse all groves without damaging them

You must appoint Abelin as governor

Ro reputation must be at least 130 +10 per difficulty (I believe difficulty is 0 for casual and 3 for torment, meaning you need between 130-160 based on what difficulty you're playing)

 

Low Dhaga

Ro reputation must be at least 150 + 10 per difficulty

If Lawita is the governer, the difficulty is reduced by 15

If you told Lawita their views on women are harmful and you will try to change them, the difficulty increases by 40

 

You really need to maximize your Ro reputation in order for the Low Dhaga delegation to not fight you if you stayed with Aato, but from the numbers here, it should be possible, even on torment.

Edited September 9, 2022 by Mechalibur

[Faerie Storm]

On 9/6/2022 at 6:58 PM, Mechalibur said:

I put this in another topic, but it's probably worth having in here as well. Here's the reputation you need to avoid the fights in Prova Krug:

 

Kranas

You must cleanse all groves without damaging them

You must appoint Abelin as governor

Ro reputation must be at least 130 +10 per difficulty (I believe difficulty is 0 for casual and 3 for torment, meaning you need between 130-160 based on what difficulty you're playing)

 

Low Dhaga

If Lawita is governor: Ro reputation must be at least 135 + 10 per difficulty

If Aato is governor: Ro reputation must be at least 190 + 10 per difficulty

 

You really need to maximize your Ro reputation in order for the Low Dhaga delegation to not fight you if you stayed with Aato, but from the numbers here, it should be possible, even on torment.

 

Is there ever a situation where the High Lithians fight you in Prova Kruga? I was respectful of the process in both my playthroughs but if you disrespect them there, violence too low perhaps, or maybe something else that would make them fight you? Kinda curious if there are conditions in which Rasa Suharam blesses the rebellion.

 

Also I think for Low Dhaga you need to tell (even if you are lying about it) that you will not try to change their customs about women in order to not fight them.

[Mechalibur]

The High Lithians never challenge you. Their Raasa is convinced that a war with Haven is a bad idea, regardless of how awful you've been to the Ro.

 

I re-read through the scripts for Low Dhaga, and it looks like I made a mistake. Saying you want to change their views on women gives a large disadvantage in how much Ro reputation you need, but it should still be possible to avoid their challenge. I'll edit my post with the details.

[mikeprichard]

Scanning through this topic again and trying to tie the info together, it seems that if one's interested primarily in a munchinky min-max-ish run and not too bothered by the ending text re: mom's opinion (and also doesn't care about having a "Haven loyalist" code to use in QW3), Queen ("Q") values can largely be ignored in favor of Ro ("R") values, yes? Of course, there are certainly going to be Ro-friendly moral choices I'm not likely to make, and I know I'm simplifying here, but it seems broadly accurate.

[Mechalibur]

If you don't care about endings, then Ro rep is really the only one that matters. And you can easily get quite a bit of it if you're not worried about your Queen rep.

[Dr. Hieronymous Alloy]

On 9/3/2022 at 1:42 PM, Mechalibur said:

This might also be helpful for anyone trying to minmax. You can use the "gsdf" cheat code to check flag values in-game. So, you can check your reps with the following:

 

"gsdf 80 16" - Ro Reputation

"gsdf 80 7" - Queen Reputation

"gsdf 80 6" - Violence Reputation

 

From a quick test, this doesn't seem to disable achievements/medals, but I won't make any promises.

 

You can also ask your butler Stonehouse what people think of you and he'll give an approximate verbal eval of your standing with each faction. Useful for testing just how much you pissed whoever off with the latest court judgement.

[Mechalibur]

You can, but his answers are for ranges of reputation. Sometimes more precise measurement is desired, such as the Prova Krug outcomes where even very high rep might not be enough.

Edited October 7, 2022 by Mechalibur

[Shadowplay]

Hi. 

What are the in-game (not post-game) effects of Q, R, V?

Personally I would like a cheat code (e.g. STATS, no achievement prevention) that shows Q,R,V.

Given that you have changed the nature of resources, perhaps replace the daily screen with a resource and theft summary, and replace the word "theft" with something else like "corruption" that implies less permanency?  I find it annoying to have to wander around for a day in order to see my new resource and theft levels.

Personally I found it disappointing that I could not implement one solution I would have liked: send Aato to High Litha, send Yvette to Low Dhaga, and send Ivanna to Kranas Woods.  Delia did say she wanted Aato somewhere cold, and I'm sure Yvette trying to deal in Low Dhaga would be ... interesting ... for her, and Ivanna needs to be promoted.

 

[Mechalibur]

Queen rep does nothing in-game (other than some dialogue changes). Ro rep occasionally offers more shops, and lets you avoid some fights. Violence only comes up once, I think, and if it's high enough you can threaten some enemies out of an encounter.

 

Sending the governors to different regions is pretty funny, I like that idea.

[Genernumlover]

I'm somewhat bemused. I used the guide to max out my Ro and Queen rep as best as I was able and got a good ending. However, the ending says my words and actions convinced many in the Low Dhaga that the Wolf was fighting for a good cause. I got that text when I replaced Aato and had the Low Dhaga Raasa side with me.

 

Is that bit of the ending linked to the violence score? The Queen's score? Or is that a permanent bit of the Ro being the Ro?

 

 

Edited November 2, 2022 by Genernumlover

[pixelpusher]

Hi, I restarted the game after realizing I was missing out. I'm stuck at Ruska Pass, which I was able to navigate the first time around. Any thoughts? Also, where do you see the reputation stats? Many thanks

[pixelpusher]

OK, figured out how to trigger the Ruska Pass quest. Sorry for the trouble.

 

[Genernumlover]

I'm thinking out loud, but if the reputation system continues in the next game, we need to be able to see it. I mean that we need to be able to see a warning by the dialogue that influences our reputation or we need to have a counting system that is visible without cheats. That may break RPG immersion but it would make the game smoother if could see and count the changes our words and actions are making.

 

Still not sure why the Low Dhaga thought the Wolf was heroic even if they didn't support the rebels in the end. From the silence, I'm guessing no one else does either. Maybe it has to do with how you deal with the pockets of "peaceful" raiders you encounter?

[Slawbug]

This reputation system has existed in every almost every Spiderweb game since 2001.  I wouldn't expect a change.

[Genernumlover]

Yes, but in the older games, it was easier to switch sides and your words weren't quite as important. If I was a rebel in Geneforge I'd still have the option to join the Shapers towards the end of the game. Here in Queen's Wish, more weight is given to words, and it isn't always obvious that each particular bit of dialogue is going to be that important for the end of the game.

 

For example, you can go Ro by replacing the governors and still have the Raasas turn on you. I think that, if what we say matters as much as what we do, it would make the game a little smoother if we could see our dialogue consequences more readily.

Edited November 16, 2022 by Genernumlover

[Slawbug]

5 hours ago, Genernumlover said:

Yes, but in the older games, it was easier to switch sides and your words weren't quite as important.

This is flatly not true.  Ironically, it may be that it was less obvious what impact your words were having than it is in this game   

[Genernumlover]

You could switch sides midway through all of the games in Geneforge series, or have a change of heart late in the game. The endings weren't as good for such players, but the option was there. There were late-game chances that let you alter reputation, so your early mishaps were more easily fixed. Words were less important as there were options in the game to let you change your mind. Also, the conversations that mattered the most were the ones with the leaders of the factions.

 

I will agree that Queen's Wish is more blatant with the impact of the reputation system though. That's why I'd like it to be made more obvious that we are changing our reputation and in what way we are doing it. Like I said, a more visible reputation counting system or something along those lines would be good.

Edited November 17, 2022 by Genernumlover

[Slawbug]

On 11/17/2022 at 7:18 AM, Genernumlover said:

Words were less important as there were options in the game to let you change your mind. Also, the conversations that mattered the most were the ones with the leaders of the factions.

Ah, here we see where the point of confusion is.

 

Joining factions in Geneforge is completely separate from the reputation system.  This is to say, although very extreme reputations might lock you out of extreme factions -- with a few exceptions, joining factions, and completing quests for factions you had already joined, had no impact on reputation whatsoever.

 

This is to say, QW really does have the same reputation system as Geneforge -- what it doesn't have (or has a very different version of) is "Geneforge factions."

 

 

Anyway: the reality is that reputation-changing questions, in dialogue, are almost always extremely obvious.  It's true that you don't know the exact values in play -- is this a +3/+0, a +2/-2, a +0/+1, or does it actually not shift anything?  But I'm also not sure what difference that makes, as a player; there's so many of them and they're all additive.  (Unless you have a very specific powergaming goal that involves minmaxing through rewards that require both low and high reputations, but is there really anything that's worth the bother in this game?)

[Mechalibur]

They can be a little less obvious in QW compared to Geneforge, to be fair. For example, the Queen says she hates how the Dhaga treat their woman, but actually trying to change that lowers your Queen rep on top of your Ro rep, presumably because even though she disagrees with the practice, she doesn't want to rock the boat unnecessarily.

 

There are also a few checks where not being diplomatic gets you more Ro reputation points. Like telling the chief of Etzae that you don't care what he thinks gets you Ro rep, whereas being diplomatic makes him think you're weak. When you're asked if the blood of the Ro is inside you, you get points for saying sometimes it flows off your sword.

[Genernumlover]

Good point about the reputation versus faction system.

 

For me, it would make the game easier if I could see the results of my choices numerically or with an in-game chart of some sort. I had a heck of a time figuring out the reputation system on my first go. In fact, I had the Kranas Woods attack me even though I spared all of their groves. With this guide, I found out where I messed up and how to fix it. Without it and its information on the reputation system, I would've been left repeating the game mostly trying to figure out where I went wrong.

 

Also, as Mechalibur points out, there is dialogue that makes some interactions in QW trickier than they seem.

Edited November 18, 2022 by Genernumlover

[Slawbug]

Yeah, those are good points.  I guess it really is less obvious in that regard!

[mikeprichard]

1) Missing rep changes:
a) In the Low Dhaga section, as an alternative to ""(Just leave.)" -2R" with the young Ro hunters surrounded by lizards, the option "Help them!" gives +2R.
b) Defeating the final group of scorpions east of the Shattered City gives +2R.
c) Defeating Pitmaster Grenich in the arena gives +2R and +2V.
d) Attacking the Geld Nas camped east of Deep Post Anelace gives -3R.

2) Errors:
a) Paying Sparl to free Raiman gives -2R and -3V, not -2R and -2V.
b) "Amberl (Sisilyn) [sp]" should be "Amberl (Isskale)" (with the entry also logically moved below the "Amberl (Ruska)" entry, since Isskale is encountered after Ruska). She isn't ever encountered in Ssilyn, as far as I'm aware.
c) The "(Pull out the sword.)" entry is for Tranquility Path, not Tehrorman as listed. Also, adding an empty line for clarity between the Spiral Mine and this item would be helpful.
d) The line "They will be honored by your interest. Perhaps someday you will, when your current work is done." is spoken by Darmal, not the player character. This is a bit confusing, as it's inconsistent with the rest of the list where the player character's dialogue choices are instead listed as the reputation triggers. Unfortunately, I didn't write down the exact PC dialogue choice that leads to this one.
e) There was another very minor error somewhere (I think it was the difference between +/- 1V vs. 2V), but unfortunately I didn't note it at the time. If I remember later, I'll edit this post to describe the issue, but it's unlikely.

3) Formatting:
Many of the outdoor encounter listings, Sutter and Delia mirror dialogues, and High Litha and Kranas listings are out of logical order in terms of when you're likely to encounter them - e.g. the "Open the coaches." Low Dhaga encounter is in the northern part of the province, but is listed near the top of the section among encounters in the southern half. This is obviously not a critical issue, but as a more chronological ordering may be useful to readers, I thought I'd mention it.

Thank you!

Edited December 11, 2022 by mikeprichard

[Mah Al Ibara]

On 9/6/2022 at 9:36 AM, BrainGlucose said:

Thanks for this.  Playing through with my preferred actions - and damn the lack of a possible replacement for Aato! - I ended with 188/116/78, which seems to have worked out about as well as possible: minimal rebellion, no-one willing to stand against me with the Wolf, improved life for women in Low Draga, and the Queen's approval (although I still kinda suspect Delia's hand in that medicine..).  Choosing to go to Prova Krug didn't seem to annoy the home folks anywhere near as much as I expected!  Looking forward to the next.

May I ask what you had to do and not do to improve life for women in the Low Dhaga? I'm on my third play through, failed at that the first two times, and honestly it is now my only goal. At the moment I am in a conversation with Filome in Esker Keep, and I closed the dialog box before responding to her petition because I'm concerned this could be a crucial interaction, beyond the whole reputation thing.

[Mah Al Ibara]

Okay, to answer my own question:

On my third play through, I got excellent results. I was able to improve the position of women in the Low Dhaga. The way I did it is to never speak against their treatment of women to a man, and certainly not to a man of authority. But I did tell Low Dhaga women, when asked (or when the opportunity arose), that I would do what I can to improve their situation. After a lot of thought, I reluctantly sent Altynay back to the Low Dhaga. I don't know how much difference that made, but I console myself with the fact that I was later able to improve the situation of all (or most) Low Dhaga women. When asked straight out by Raasa Lawita at Prova Krug, I said Haven always respects the cultures of its vassals. I was worried that saying this would mean the whole thing about women's rights would be left out of the epilogue, but it didn't matter.

The key to changing women's status is to express at least once (to a woman) that you want to, and then focus entirely on keeping your reputation with both the Ro and the Queen very high. When I set foot in Prova Krug for the endgame (playing Casual mode!), I had a reputation of 172 with the Ro and 155 with the Queen. The easiest way to earn points with the Queen is to never antagonize Sutter. Always be supportive and say you will do as he says (even if you hate him and don't intend to do as he says). Weirdly, as someone else noted, nobody back home gets upset if you actually go to Prova Krug to meet the challenge. They only get upset if you tell them you are going. LOL So just lie.

As for the governors, I split the difference. I felt it was important to get Yvette out of there immediately, so I axed her. (←Kranas play on words there.)This of course pissed off Sutter. I think I ended that conversation with something like, "If that's all, I'd like to get back to work." As for Aato, I figured the loss of Queen reputation wasn't worth the benefit of making Lawita governor. I also knew from my first playthrough that making Lawita governor is no guarantee the Low Dhaga won't fight you at Prova Krug. I also thought Captain Azucena in Esker Keep would keep things together. However, according to the epilogue, the Low Dhaga is a complete mess during the rebellion. Maybe I was overly cautious here and could have replaced both governors.

[Yossi]

On 12/3/2022 at 3:28 AM, mikeprichard said:

d) The line "They will be honored by your interest. Perhaps someday you will, when your current work is done." is spoken by Darmal, not the player character. This is a bit confusing, as it's inconsistent with the rest of the list where the player character's dialogue choices are instead listed as the reputation triggers. Unfortunately, I didn't write down the exact PC dialogue choice that leads to this one.

  

It's "I should meet them. I am part of the Ro."