Randomizer Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 This isn't a complete list since I haven't been able to determine what 5 of the 12 letter position are caused by in the game. I gave up after trying different dialogue options when you return to see Queen Sharyn, leaving different dragons alive, and favored nation status. I listed letters I've seen, but still don't know what they correspond to. 1st letter - unknown - possible letters: a, b, c, e, f, g, k, l, o. p, q, r, x, y 2nd letter - Queen Sharyn's dialogue - d return to Haven - e leisure life - f to serve - g to lead afterwards 3rd letter - unknown - possible letters:h, i, j, k, l 4th letter - unknown - possible letters: f, n 5th letter - unknown - possible letters n, p 6th letter - unknown - possible letters: b, d, e, f, g, i, k, l, p, u, v, y 7th letter - Dreams in Nisse Refuges - a is no dreams bought - b is at least one dream 8th letter - Nisse reaction and deals - a Calimity returns - b take deal at the tower's bottom level - c take wish for leisure life - d take wish to serve - f take wish to lead - g take wish for a century of control - h Total victory 9th letter - Sutter's reaction to what you tell the Queen or dialogue with him - b serve - g takeover as leader - h serve - n ? - q takeover 10th letter - Utak faction - r Brokk - s Borgen 11th letter - Ahriel faction - o Trench Town - p Blessed 12th letter - The Vol faction - o Mascha - n Owen dolphindave and Amira The Hot Potato 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ladyonthemoon Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 How courageous! It seems that I've lost mine; I'll have to replay the game if I want to carry on the adventure. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TriRodent Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 4 hours ago, ladyonthemoon said: It seems that I've lost mine; I'll have to replay the game if I want to carry on the adventure. I saved mine in a text file with a (basic) description of who I supported, what I did (as I had multiple games with testing) & then saved the text file into the QW folder so that I can find it/them again in a couple of years. Too late for you this time around I realize, but for anyone who wanders into the thread before their endgame... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ess-Eschas Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 For the record, ladyonthemoon, you should be able to recover your code simply by playing through from your last autosave. That will likely place you a few minutes from the end, given all the travel that goes on in the endgame, so you'll only have to play the game for a few minutes, skipping through some dialogue, to recover its end state. Why not do it now, and record the code for your later use as TriRodent suggests? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ladyonthemoon Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 1 hour ago, TriRodent said: Too late for you this time around I realize, but for anyone who wanders into the thread before their endgame... 26 minutes ago, Ess-Eschas said: Why not do it now, and record the code for your later use as TriRodent suggests? Thanks for your suggestions and encouragements! 😉 Actually, I was wrong, I haven't lost my code. It was in my save folder. My confusion came from the fact that I'm using Linux now and I played QW under Windows. When I want to save important things, I generally store them on an external drive but, this time, I forgot to do it. Since I had to start Windows 7 this morning, I found it. If @Randomizer wants to give it a try, here it is: TriRodent 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Corylea Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 I got an H for the 3rd letter, so you can add that to your list of possibilities. :-) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
skoobadive Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 I got y for the 6th letter. Thanks for making this post! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mechalibur Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 Anyone have theories on what the unknown letters might represent? Your various tracked reputations (like how nice vs brutal you are, how much your mom likes you, etc.) might be involved in some of those. The 1st and 6th letters are especially interesting since they seem to have so many possibilities. I wonder if they correspond to something that has a wide range of possibilities, such as time passed. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Salt Monolith Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 They could also encode multiple variables. Some of the other letters don't look like that at all, but it would explain why the 9th letter in particular has (1) such scattered letter options, and (2) multiple options for the same observed variable. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TriRodent Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 It could also just be Jeff screwing with us. Putting in random letters that mean absolutely nothing. On otherwise boring evenings he comes here, glass of carbonated adult beverage in hand, & cackles with evil glee over the various head scratching going on here trying to figure it out... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Randomizer Posted January 4 Author Share Posted January 4 I tried seeing if not killing certain monsters like dragons made a difference, but it wasn't that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vnpowa Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 Just finished QW and got "rfifpbahbron" so that would be another new letter for 1st and 6th position. I hope we get some feedback on this once QW2 is released just so we can experience it without having to restart the first game ten thousdand times xD Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mechalibur Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 I get the feeling it will be easier to work backward to figure out what they mean once QW2 comes out. ...Although I get the feeling some of the codes may end up doing nothing. It's very possible Spiderweb wanted to capture a number of variables just in case, but may not actually find a use for them during development. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Salt Monolith Posted April 30 Share Posted April 30 Or may just affect one piece of text at the end of the second game. Who knows. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sudanna Posted April 30 Share Posted April 30 But how can I ensure that that one piece of text is exactly what I want it to be????? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ladyonthemoon Posted April 30 Share Posted April 30 6 hours ago, Sudanna said: But how can I ensure that that one piece of text is exactly what I want it to be????? You can't, you'll have to trust Jeff on that... :) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vnpowa Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 During the game I've thought about a couple of possible situations that could justify having an impact for next games, like supporting the arts (being a patron, expressing approval of Blessed art), allowing the use of Elixir by Haven's Army and not recriminating against Chief Adam's use of Elixir, through the small trials with Miranda becoming known as a merciless/greedy/benevolent commander... It'll probably be easier to see what changes directly in QW2 but I'll still hope for a reveal of what each letter does once the game is out. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mechalibur Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 We'll probably be able to see what dialogue options are changed from the script folders. It might not be easy to tie it back to the action in QW1, but we should at least be able to see what all the potential dialogues are. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Randomizer Posted May 2 Author Share Posted May 2 Based on how Jeff likes to reuse previous work, we are using the same general map with a few new dungeons. The endgame code will give which factions are in control of the three lands when we start. How much time has past will be the major point in whether we see any returning characters. I should see about replaying the game from a save before some other decision points like the Elixir use in order to see if that changes an unknown code letter. Although since I did the same choice for that each game, I don't think that is it. They are more likely some reputation score regardless on which side you picked. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mechalibur Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 Same map? I figured QW2 would be in a completely different part of the world, especially with how the ending mentions you never see Sacramentum again. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Randomizer Posted May 2 Author Share Posted May 2 45 minutes ago, Mechalibur said: you never see Sacramentum again. All that means is the first game character isn't the the second game's player's character. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Salt Monolith Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 I don't know if I buy that. I feel like if Sacramentum were intended to be a multi-game location, more attention would have been paid to individual characters. Randomizer, you say "Based on how Jeff likes to reuse previous work" but that isn't actually how he operates at all. Outside of Exile/Avernum, which was designed as an enduring game location way back in 1994, he's never reused previous locations en masse. Geneforge and Avadon never do. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Randomizer Posted May 3 Author Share Posted May 3 Well considering who we faced in the endgame and that this is the first place the empire dealt with them, it is logical that in at last a hundred years they appear again. Edit - Why would the endgame code care about the factions if they weren't going to be used next time. This is far away from the other lands by boat. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Salt Monolith Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 Because they could be referenced -- by your family, or by the Nisse, who will presumably both appear in some form, and who would both have some access to most of this information. What the heck would be the point of transferring the PC's reactions to the Queen and to Sutter if the PC isn't also in the second game? I'm also just trying to imagine a QW style game, with it's clear-areas-set-up-forts-acquire-resources gameplay, on the same map as QW. That would be an immense rehash, in a way that did not apply to an Exile II style game. Finally, the endgame code feels a lot like a throwback to games like Ultima and Wizardry -- which Jeff has repeatedly cited as an influence -- where you could actually transfer your party (just the PC, in Ultima's case) from one game to the next, often with nerfs so you didn't start at max power. I can't imagine there are going to be huge gameplay differences based on the code -- Jeff never really branches gameplay until the very end -- and this seems like an awful lot of trouble to go to just to set up slightly different dialogue about "the royal who was here 100 years ago" or whatever. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vnpowa Posted May 5 Share Posted May 5 With the mention of Sharyn's "3 big mistakes" during her earlier reign with Sacramentum being one I assumed with that we would get 3 Queen's Wish games each dealing with one of those in unique regions with our initial protagonist being the "troubleshooter" to Sutter's "heir/successor" and Delia's "sage/advisor". Also having the story being wildly different due to our earlier choice could complicate QW2 and if we had to use decisions from both games to create the story for QW3 (if it happens) would be extremely taxing for the size of the Spiderweb team. My guess would be the decisions would influence resources available (sided with Vol/Borgen? More resources at the start or provided by shipments), how Haven is perceived in the rest of the world (Subjugator vs Uplifter) and the perception of our protagonist that could influence how other important NPC's would act (accept our word if we're know as trustworthy or making us do extra quests if we're a whining spoiled brat). If I dream a bit higher I could see the vassals being used as reinforcements for tough fights. Need a swap cleared? A company of Ukatish swamp runners would be good to have. Rebels are hiding a forest? Ask your Ahriel plantworkers to talk the trees into eating them. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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