Ineffable Wingbolt Dahak Posted November 22, 2007 Share Posted November 22, 2007 There has been some discussion over on the SV forums as to which set of trees is effective for an outdoor setting. I've decided to throw it wider. Which set of trees do you feel works best? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unflappable Drayk John S Posted November 22, 2007 Share Posted November 22, 2007 #1 looks old-school, in my opinion. In this case, I like it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Ephesos Posted November 22, 2007 Share Posted November 22, 2007 Just so you know, I got some outdoor versions of the Joaquin Soto trees... they'd make #4 look a lot better. I vote for #1, but I'm biased. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Callie Posted November 22, 2007 Share Posted November 22, 2007 All four of them feature overcrowded trees. Regardless of that, #1 is the best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Dintiradan Posted November 22, 2007 Share Posted November 22, 2007 Disclaimer: my sense of aesthetics is far from good. #1: Good if the area is meant to be vibrant/happy/well-looked-after. #2: Unlike the other three options, has a good mix of trees. They're not all conifers though, which looks like what you're trying with the other three. #3: Probably my least favourite, at least these trees by themselves. #4: Thick, bushy evergreens; nice for an rough, unkempt forest if that's what you're trying for. Maybe throw in a few from #3 for variety. Meh. Can't decide for sure. #2 fits in best with the other colours of the screenshot, but the edge is very small. The crowd has obviously spoken for #1, though. -------------------- Identify with the proverbial pot much? - Roy (OotS #146) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt Dahak Posted November 22, 2007 Author Share Posted November 22, 2007 Well, here is a mix: Here is the same mix at a different spot. More crowded and less settled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unflappable Drayk Lazarus. Posted November 22, 2007 Share Posted November 22, 2007 Not a fan of the mix. At least not all of them in one spot. A few at a time might work better. I preferred Eph's trees, for the record. Pic 2 is pretty good too, but as has been pointed out, the deciduous trees suddenly outnumber the pine trees in that one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt Dahak Posted November 22, 2007 Author Share Posted November 22, 2007 That is interesting... How does this feel now? (Ignore the stray second icon. I have since fixed it) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Ephesos Posted November 22, 2007 Share Posted November 22, 2007 The deciduous one stands out a bit too much, but other than that the second one could look good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt Dahak Posted November 22, 2007 Author Share Posted November 22, 2007 The thing is that the time frame is fall. The conifers still have their needles and the leaves of the deciduous are turning. Maybe it would be better if there were more deciduous trees, or perhaps I should create clumps with a certain type having a greater presence. Ideas? How did the first one appear to you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Xaiya Posted November 22, 2007 Share Posted November 22, 2007 The second one would be better if it were more yellow since you want a fall setting. Having a mix of yellow and green trees is terrible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Callie Posted November 22, 2007 Share Posted November 22, 2007 I choose the mixed set. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Swimmin' Salmon Posted November 22, 2007 Share Posted November 22, 2007 Ecologically, you wouldn't find conifers next to the water. They need to stay roots-dry, in general. I would recommend putting some decidious and some brush next to the water, and then concentrating conifer stands away from development. Also, deciduous are usually the first trees to grow in freshly disturbed soil. I liked #2 (of the most recent set) the most, but would recommend having one field stubble cut to reflect that grain is harvested in late summer/early fall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt Dahak Posted November 22, 2007 Author Share Posted November 22, 2007 Quote: Originally written by Jumpin' Salmon:Ecologically, you wouldn't find conifers next to the water. They need to stay roots-dry, in general. Odd... I can drive for 15 minutes to the mountain to the river and I see confiers near the river. Although you would be right that they are not next to water. There is a bunch of rock lining the water's edge and the trees grow back a bit.I would recommend putting some deciduous and some brush next to the water, and then concentrating conifer stands away from development. Also, deciduous are usually the first trees to grow in freshly disturbed soil. I am thinking I will make a rocky/water edge set of floors. The problem will transitioning it to dirt edges... Maybe it would be better just to put some scrub brush by the edge followed by conifers. I did not know that deciduous grow first in disturbed soil.I liked #2 (of the most recent set) the most, but would recommend having one field stubble cut to reflect that grain is harvested in late summer/early fall. Not if it is a winter grain crop such as wheat (winter wheat). But then this isn't winter wheat and it doesn't grow this tall until after winter passes. Truth be told the equivalent time frame I an looking at is early autumn followed by a mild winter. You may not know it since but the exact moment this scenario begins is the Harvest Festival and the start of the harvest season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Ishad Nha Posted November 22, 2007 Share Posted November 22, 2007 This is a world of powerful magic is it not? Hence real - world ecological rules, the rules of a non - magical world like ours, could possibly be violated at will. Anything could grow anywhere, if the magic spells existed for this to happen. I mean, in the Avernum games you have magical trees developed by the Tower of Magi, they grow in the most lifeless and inhospitable caves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Ephesos Posted November 23, 2007 Share Posted November 23, 2007 For clarification, what I meant is that in each tile with the yellow trees, the yellow tree is at the front of the tile. A little more variability and it'll look fine... And Iffy, fall foliage and evergreens do co-exist in nature. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Dikiyoba Posted November 23, 2007 Share Posted November 23, 2007 Dikiyoba likes the second picture as well. But both look a little better than the previous pictures now that the trees aren't growing on the road quite so much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Swimmin' Salmon Posted November 23, 2007 Share Posted November 23, 2007 Quote: Originally written by Ishad Nha:This is a world of powerful magic is it not? Usually not. Gravity, time, and other mundane forces are always at work. Dahak stated the season, which indicates that the planet rotates about an axis which isn't perpendicular to orbit at all times. That's not magic, though it is pretty darn special. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt Dahak Posted November 23, 2007 Author Share Posted November 23, 2007 Quote: Originally written by Jumpin' Salmon: Quote: Originally written by Ishad Nha:This is a world of powerful magic is it not? Usually not. Gravity, time, and other mundane forces are always at work. Dahak stated the season, which indicates that the planet rotates about an axis which isn't perpendicular to orbit at all times. That's not magic, though it is pretty darn special. No, it indicates that the season's change. For all you know the fall season could be brought on by an evil magic spell which failed to bring about an eternal winter. Long ago a band of heroes may have fought back. Though they defeated the Winter King, he still managed to set his spell in motion. Every year the spell gathers power, but it only lasts long enough for a single winter. Then the forces of spring take hold once more as winter retreats to gather its power once more. An eternal spell going about its work never fully succeeded. Quite sad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Swimmin' Salmon Posted November 23, 2007 Share Posted November 23, 2007 Quote: Originally written by Dahak: Quote: Originally written by Jumpin' Salmon: Quote: Originally written by Ishad Nha:This is a world of powerful magic is it not? Usually not. Gravity, time, and other mundane forces are always at work. Dahak stated the season, which indicates that the planet rotates about an axis which isn't perpendicular to orbit at all times. That's not magic, though it is pretty darn special. No, it indicates that the season's change. For all you know the fall season could be brought on by an evil magic spell which failed to bring about an eternal winter. Long ago a band of heroes may have fought back. Though they defeated the Winter King, he still managed to set his spell in motion. Every year the spell gathers power, but it only lasts long enough for a single winter. Then the forces of spring take hold once more as winter retreats to gather its power once more. An eternal spell going about its work never fully succeeded. Quite sad. I better see that in the intro text. Or at least in a book from some inaccessible (except to Imban) bookshelf. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Celtic Minstrel Posted November 23, 2007 Share Posted November 23, 2007 I've numbered all 8 images in order of their appearance in the thread. This one seems artificial. This one is probably my favourite of the first four. Generally you see a mixture of broadleaf and coniferous trees, unless you're far north or in the mountains. This one makes me think of a young forest, possibly a plantation. Nice, but I think the trees are a little too large. Perfect for a place where broadleaf trees are sparse. This one ranks equal to #2 in my opinion, but for a different situation. I still don't like the trees of #1, but it's better when they're not the only kind of tree present. Same as above. Same as above? I like the autumn tree, but I think it would work better in larger clumps rather than the occasional lone tree amongst conifers. For myself (ie if I used graphics like these in a scenario), I'd like an option of all conifers, all broadleafs (autumn and summer), and a mixture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt Dahak Posted December 6, 2007 Author Share Posted December 6, 2007 A better mix I hope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Callie Posted December 6, 2007 Share Posted December 6, 2007 That looks rather good now, but I think the contrast should be toned down a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt Dahak Posted December 6, 2007 Author Share Posted December 6, 2007 If you are referring to the contrast of the fall trees to the pine, then consider yourself whacked by a giant cartoon mallet. Short of having such a contrast that it melts your eyes and fries your brain I don't think I'm going to bother with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Ephesos Posted December 6, 2007 Share Posted December 6, 2007 I would suggest shifting the icons a bit, 'cause the icons are all being cut off around the bottom. Other than that, looks good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt Dahak Posted December 6, 2007 Author Share Posted December 6, 2007 Which are you looking at? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Ephesos Posted December 6, 2007 Share Posted December 6, 2007 The last one. All of the icons must have a te_icon_offset_y of 0 or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Balladeer Posted December 6, 2007 Share Posted December 6, 2007 Is there a different fall colored tree? It just seems odd that all the turning trees are exactly alike when in nature you have red, orange, yellow, brown, light-green, and dark green all co-existing. Yellow and green do most deffinately go together in a fall setting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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