Tenderfoot Thahd Oneiros Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 I made the mistake of mentioning Avadon to the guerillas in the area, so Duke Gryfyn fled. I'm curious about what he would've said if I'd managed to catch him; anything interesting lore-wise or plot-wise? I'm somewhat miffed about missing out on his story content. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Randomizer Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 He doesn't say much different from Avadon 2. However it is an interesting fight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Earth Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 yea, only what he had to say was his usual rambling. since you failed to kill him you made redbeard angry to you (doesn't matter if you aren't rb loyalist). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan Alberich Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 Just went through that scene on a replay....his main spiel is to justify his earlier rebellion. At first he was loyal to the Pact; then he thought the pact was rotten and doomed to fail, so he decided to look out for his own country by joining forces with Dheless. He claims that his own betrayal was the very thing that "brought the pact together"...and laments the fact that he won't get any credit for it, as he thinks the Pact will now be strong for centuries thanks to him. With the right answers you can talk his invitation out of him (just convince him your loyalty is to the Pact, not to Avadon, and that you are hoping to make peace instead of slaughter)...but if you do that he escapes alive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Kelandon Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 I just hit this point on my (very slow) first time through the game. I figured out the dialogue options to get what I want without a fight, but then I decided to try the fight. It was a little strange — I managed to whittle down his guards, killing one, before two of my party members died and the third ran out of view, ended combat, revived the other two, and we retreated to the other area. Only two guards followed, so I killed them individually and then went back to deal with Gryfyn. He ran out of one wand and I killed him before he could run out of the other wand. On the dialogue rather than the fight: Gryfyn seems delusional. He's taking credit for the accidental benefits of the war. He intended to destroy the Pact and accidentally made it stronger, and now he's lamenting that he will never get credit for making the Pact stronger. I wanted to shout at him, "That's because you didn't try to make the Pact stronger! It was totally unintentional!" But killing him for betraying the Pact was satisfying enough, even if I couldn't shout at him in the game. Alberich 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan Alberich Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 A little like Thulsa Doom that Conan owes everything to him....since his hatred of Thulsa Doom is what gave him his "will to live." I like the fact that major series villains (Miranda and Gryfyn) get a chance to explain themselves before The End. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Earth Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 Miranda's case got totally weird in Avadon 3, in Av1 she was just pure traitor and in Av2 she became power hungry and in Av3 we got explanation (how true it was we can't tell since we heard only her side). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan Alberich Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 To me she was just so hungry for vengeance that she was willing to sacrifice several countries to war, domination by the Tawon Empire, or destruction by the Corruption...just to get back at Redbeard. At least in this game you find out just what got her so all-fired upset. And even do something about it...regardless of how you come down on Redbeard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Earth Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 Her side of story was found out and Redbeard won't tell his side. Ofcourse majority (if not all) believe Miranda even she was pain in bottom in Av2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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