Garrulous Glaahk wackypanda Posted March 1, 2013 Share Posted March 1, 2013 They're a (mostly benign) totalitarian state that uses the appearance of infallibility and supreme power to maintain control over the populace. You are never a person of status in Shaper society. They will never admit failure to you. They are answerable to their superiors, and while corruption and misuse of power on that level happens, portraying Shapers as literally blind to their failures is in no way accurate. Granted, they have an interest in maintaining that facade of infallibility. But when it cracks, of course the first thing that would come to mind is "What else is there that I don't know about? Do they even know what they're doing?" not "Maybe it was just this one time, I'm sure they know what they're doing". How am I supposed to know what they think? In fact we see shades of this on Harmony Isle in G3. The rebels have invaded. Lankan needs protection from Diwaniya (which is his job as the ruler) to make a living, and is angry that Diwaniya won't provide it. So the facade cracks, and Lankan decks Diwaniya and runs off. Then when you talk to Diwaniya you find that it's not so much that he doesn't want to do his job, but that he can't. And the facade prevents him from admitting it, and even if he could people already hate him for failing to meet (what they think is) the Shaper standard. It's just really sad to watch. Of course, Diwaniya is young, and the rebels are a threat that the Shapers have not had much experience facing, but it's not a good job overall. Who said that no records are kept of facilities and accidents? Just because you, a low man on the totem pole, don't get to see them (And as per the totalitarian state argument above, records of failures are not freely distributed) doesn't mean they don't exist. It's true that sealing things doesn't solve the problem, but when trying to fix the problem might let it out or make it worse, or when you're not entirely sure what went wrong, that's not an unreasonable response. If what Lilith said is true re: destroying records, they really don't. That hints that they don't like to admit failures even to themselves (i.e. are literally blind to their failures, or intend to be so). One can argue that only the records of the research are destroyed and not which places are sealed and why, but usually no one the PC talks to (including Shapers who have a vested interest in cleaning up, like the Guardian who needs the anvil) can remember why a place was sealed beyond the useless "an experiment went wrong", which shows that even Shapers who want to clean up can't prepare themselves. (In fact the Guardian doesn't even know that there is another anvil, while the outsider blacksmith who also needs the anvil does. I'm not getting the impression that they keep good track of their facilities and accidents.) I agree that sealing things up is not unreasonable under certain circumstances, and we now agree that it doesn't solve the problem. The problem is that the Shapers act as if it does. I keep using Darkstone Mine as an example not because it's a particularly spectacular SVH - quite the opposite, in fact. It was a relatively minor incident and it occurred when the Shapers were in full control of the island, and therefore were as able to actually solve the problem as they ever would be. Instead they sealed up the place and forgot it ever happened - according to procedure, true, but it came back to bite people when the other anvil broke, betraying a lack of foresight in their policies. The fact that this is standard procedure is also not up to the standard they set for themselves. Their claim to power and their stance on serviles and drayks is based on the premise that they are the masters of what they create. Then when something goes pear-shaped they go "Seal it up and forget this ever happened instead of risking our lives" instead of "Well, we made this mess, now let's get together a party of glaahks and show that thing who's boss" ... there's a disconnect there. And the "forget this ever happened" part is, as I said, punting responsibility. That is how their risk management stinks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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