Fledgling Fyora irradiata Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 I'm hoping for around March, since if I remember correctly, that's when the last few have come out... but I haven't heard anything about an upcoming release. Does anybody know? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Randomizer Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 Some day in 2013. I'm pretty sure that beta testing hasn't started so expect at least 5 months more. Jeff hasn't even released screenshots. Welcome to Spiderweb Software. Please leave your sanity at the door. Has anyone seen mine? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Actaeon Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 You lost it in a poker game several years ago. It eventually made its way into my hands, and I sold it to the fluffy turtles at a loss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Student of Trinity Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 The sanity market around here is in a permanent state of crash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt Mosquito---Slayer Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 Not surprising considering the number of people who off-load it every day here, demand-supply thingy, you know. ĐªгŦĦ Єяŋϊε 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Goldengirl Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 Not surprising considering the number of people who off-load it every day here, demand-supply thingy, you know. That would be a positive supply shock, which would tend to increase the quantity provided while simultaneously lowering prices, ceteris parabus. The problem with that assumption, though is that rather than ceteris parabus conditions being held, we instead see that tempora mutantur nos et mutamur in illis. Which is to say, de gustibus non est distputandum, and that lack of dispute is in the fact that Spiderwebbers don't seem to have a taste for sanity, hence there is no demand. Hopefully there is a taste for Latin-heavy economic analyses of fictional markets. If not, plaudite amici, epistula finita est. Edit: Misspelling - whoops! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Student of Trinity Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 The expression you want is "ceteris paribus", "other (things) (being) equal". "Parabis" is a Latin word, but it means "you will prepare". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast keira Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 There is always demand. The fluffy turtles live in a never-ending feast of sanity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt Mosquito---Slayer Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 That would be a positive supply shock, which would tend to increase the quantity provided while simultaneously lowering prices, ceteris parabis. The problem with that assumption, though is that rather than ceteris parabis conditions being held, we instead see that tempora mutantur nos et mutamur in illis. Which is to say, de gustibus non est distputandum, and that lack of dispute is in the fact that Spiderwebbers don't seem to have a taste for sanity, hence there is no demand. Hopefully there is a taste for Latin-heavy economic analyses of fictional markets. If not, plaudite amici, epistula finita est. That's certainly a very beautiful explanation, unfortunately I don't understand a single sentence of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Earth Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 next game will probably come out ~early-mid summer for osx and ~2 months later to windows and rest (ipad, android version might not see daylight). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Xaiya Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 next game will probably come out ~early-mid summer for osx and ~2 months later to windows and rest (ipad, android version might not see daylight). Maybe. We can't seriously hypothesize, though. There have been no hints lately unless he said something in some random interview or whatever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody The Reverend Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 Maybe Jeff's going to retire to the Bahamas and live off the riches he made from Avadon and A:EFTP. Or maybe we just have to patiently await the next update. Personally I'm hoping for the latter .... Although Jeff does deserve a relaxing retirement after all the great games he's put out! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan Lauren CW Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 I think he enjoys his work too much to retire. It would probably just slow down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Xaiya Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 I believe he's stated that writing games has become more work than pleasure for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyshakk Koan Lauren CW Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 I sortof imagined that being retired would take the pressure off so he could have fun with it again. But what do I know, I'm a bear. I suck the heads off fish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody The Reverend Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 I (mostly) meant that as a joke. I know his latest games have done well, but I don't think they've done quite well enough to fund an early retirement. But who knows ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Tyranicus Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 He has two children to put through college yet. He's probably going to keep working for quite some time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody The Reverend Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 Option A: Work your entire life to send kids to college. Kids graduate, decide they want to go to grad school, and turn into this. Option B: Retire early, tell your kids to become plumbers. Kids make almost as much money (on average) as their peers who went to college and graduated with non-technical degrees. I'm buying my 3 1/2 year old a set of pipes and wrenches for the holidays this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Student of Trinity Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 Note to self: Figure out how to start academic credential arms race in the plumbing industry. "Why trust your pipes to a plumber? Call 763-MSCT and let a Master of Tubular Science do the job right!" "For today's digital pipes, six years of post-graduate education is really the minimum." "Your series of tubes ... is like the Internet." The Reverend and ĐªгŦĦ Єяŋϊε 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unflappable Drayk ĐªгŦĦ Єяŋϊε Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 "Your series of tubes ... is like the Internet." don't tell that to McCain! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Lilith Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 "Your series of tubes ... is like the Internet." also a good pickup line incidentally Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Student of Trinity Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 More of a putdown, if you ask me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Alorael at Large Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 "Hey baby, let's make our tubes serial, like the internet!" "No thanks. Just because I run antivirus doesn't mean I'm going to deliberately open every trojan out there." —Alorael, who knows some people who picked grad school when the economy took its downturn because in the sciences it's a steady paycheck for a few years. Then you can drop out, take a Masters, and go get out of academia. It's less effective for the programs where you have to pay or can't do anything without a full doctorate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody The Reverend Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 —Alorael, who knows some people who picked grad school when the economy took its downturn because in the sciences it's a steady paycheck for a few years. Then you can drop out, take a Masters, and go get out of academia. It's less effective for the programs where you have to pay or can't do anything without a full doctorate. Not a very good paycheck, though. I'm continuing to work one-day-a-week at my former full-time job, and the pay for that one day is more than my stipend as a grad student. I wouldn't suggest grad school if you're doing it just for the paycheck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Randomizer Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 I remember as a grad student we qualified for food stamps. This was at the University of Arizona which had been sue all the way to the Supreme Court over their plan to pay college students only 75% of the federal minimum wage in order to provide more jobs. A few years later it was found out that the administration was only passing along half of the cost of living adjustment for inflation to employees and using the other half to give bonuses to a select few. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understated Ur-Drakon Earth Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 Maybe. We can't seriously hypothesize, though. There have been no hints lately unless he said something in some random interview or whatever. either summer or winter since Avadon 2 and ACS have been announced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Alorael at Large Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 Not a very good paycheck, though. I'm continuing to work one-day-a-week at my former full-time job, and the pay for that one day is more than my stipend as a grad student. I wouldn't suggest grad school if you're doing it just for the paycheck. You can make upwards of $30,000, and through some special tax properties of stipends that I'm not versed in you get to keep more of it than from a salary, apparently. That's not something I'd try to support a household on, but it's still at least as good as a lot of entry-level technician jobs in the sciences and better than the hordes of unemployed college grads who still haven't managed to land anything decent. —Alorael, who doesn't think anyone should abandon a lucrative job for the lure of big dollars in grad school. But in the absence of a job it'll look good on your resumé and you won't starve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody The Reverend Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 You can make upwards of $30,000, and through some special tax properties of stipends that I'm not versed in you get to keep more of it than from a salary, apparently. That's not something I'd try to support a household on, but it's still at least as good as a lot of entry-level technician jobs in the sciences and better than the hordes of unemployed college grads who still haven't managed to land anything decent. —Alorael, who doesn't think anyone should abandon a lucrative job for the lure of big dollars in grad school. But in the absence of a job it'll look good on your resumé and you won't starve. The larger stipends (30k range) are generally (not always) at Universities in high cost-of-living areas and/or in departments where there is strong competition from high-paying industry jobs. My point was not that the stipends are so low that you shouldn't go to grad school because you'll be destitute (although in some non-STEM fields that may be true). Clearly grad school is right for some people - it can improve your future job prospects, and you can study/research cool things. If I didn't believe that I wouldn't be in grad school now. My point was merely that if someone is going to grad school just for the steady stipend paycheck, they might want to reconsider. If you can get into a graduate program that pays a stipend high enough to get by off of, you could probably get a job that pays as well or better. It's true that you may get a better job after going to graduate school, but if that's why you are going, then you're aren't going just for the steady paycheck. Better job prospects is a perfectly reasonably reason to go for a Masters in many fields (and even possibly a Doctorate in a few fields, although if you want to successfully complete a Doctorate, I recommend that a love of the field be another big factor in deciding to go). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk Student of Trinity Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 If you've just been living as an unpaid student, life as a grad student can seem positively lush. If you've come from an actual job, it'll probably be hard to adapt. On the other hand, though, the difference between grad student lifestyle and entry-level job lifestyle may really only amount to one thing: a car. If you live near campus, in an interesting city, you probably won't miss the car. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Alorael at Large Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 The job market for entry-level science technicians is glutted with post-undergrads looking to buff credentials before applying to schools as well as professional technicians during good times. My point is that during the recession the numbers got even worse, and many of the jobs could offer rock-bottom wages because of the overabundance of qualified applicants. Grad school could pay just as much. Yes, it varies by location, and field, and many other factors, but it's not so outlandish. —Alorael, who would rate biology as having minimal entry-level pay and computer science/programming/IT as having very nice compensation and plenty of industry around. It all depends on what you studied and what programs and jobs are available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Acky Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 I actually emailed Jeff an inquiry about this about two weeks ago. He said that he wants to get beta-testing for Avadon 2 up by at least June, although the date is tenuous. No word on A2CS. I wouldn't expect that until well into 2014. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnificent Ornk nikki. Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 Huh. It seems the successes of Avadon and A:EftP has let Jeff take more time than his usual "one per year" policy previously allowed for. Hopefully we'll get much better games as a result. Tridon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchling Cockatrice Randomizer Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 I thought that he would speed up since most of the work on the game engine was already done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt Mosquito---Slayer Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 Yes, that's a disappointment considering the windows users would be getting it even late. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Acky Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 Just to reiterate, Jeff said the date for beta testing was around June. It may end up being mid-late spring too. I thought that he would speed up since most of the work on the game engine was already done. Hopefully this means he's taking the time to expand the world and making it beefer. I liked the returning idea in the first Avadon but I didn't have to do it everyone time. On a slightly related note, I wonder how Jeff's going to address the fact that there was only 4 portals in Avadon to begin with, but one would certainly think they would have at least a half dozen more to get to the other area's in Lynaeus. Complete speculation, but the bluebeard play Jeff got Avadon from had 7 portal-doors in Bluebeards castle; maybe he's planning on mirroring that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast Goldengirl Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 On a slightly related note, I wonder how Jeff's going to address the fact that there was only 4 portals in Avadon to begin with, but one would certainly think they would have at least a half dozen more to get to the other area's in Lynaeus. Complete speculation, but the bluebeard play Jeff got Avadon from had 7 portal-doors in Bluebeards castle; maybe he's planning on mirroring that. There was some mention in-game of how the portals are redirected as needed. Not to mention, given the ending of Avadon, it's likely we'll see a revised format for the Black Fortress. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Acky Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 Really? Completely missed that. Do you remember who mentions it by any chance? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenderfoot Thahd wherezmytofu Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 just beat avernum : escape from the pit last night/this morning, all the endings + quests...i need a new fix :3 so far ive beaten: geneforge 1-5, avernum 1-6, exile 3 @_@ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody The Reverend Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 just beat avernum : escape from the pit last night/this morning, all the endings + quests...i need a new fix :3 so far ive beaten: geneforge 1-5, avernum 1-6, exile 3 @_@ Try Nethergate! (Or the remake Nethergate: Resurrection) Tridon, Tyranicus and Triumph 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easygoing Eyebeast keira Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 (edited) Try Blades of Exile, it's open sourced, with hundreds of quests! Check it out by scrolling to the bottom of the board index! Edited December 7, 2012 by صيلي also, in case exile makes you think "does not run on modern machines", the windows version of CBoE works perfectly in Win7x64 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Wingbolt Mosquito---Slayer Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 Why isn't anyone suggesting Avadon? Is it like the step son or something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotghroth Rhapsody The Reverend Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 Why isn't anyone suggesting Avadon? Is it like the step son or something? Oops, I didn't realize that wasn't on his list - MDMC!! (Must Drink More Coffee) Yes, by all means, play Avadon. After you're done with N or N:R. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-Actually War Trall Acky Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 Why isn't anyone suggesting Avadon? Is it like the step son or something? Avadon's the new kid on the yard. He needs to spend some time on the monkey bars before he gets recommended. Tyranicus and Dikiyoba 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenderfoot Thahd wherezmytofu Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 Try Blades of Exile, it's open sourced, with hundreds of quests! Check it out by scrolling to the bottom of the board index! yeah i plaied blades of exile when it 1st came out, custom maps and stuff was fun :3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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